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by ordinary anglers with no 'sponsorship contracts' to satisy; then it is FishingMagic every time.

Did you actually look at your badge at the GM fishin PJ - more talk like that and we'll not be getting anything next year...mind you aprt from Tickletackle did the others actually contribute.........not even a mug each of KrystonNight "The Bivvie Bevvie" from Uncle Dave!!!
 

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I'd like to pick up on a couple of Bob's points:

Great angling photography is a tough one. I've been fortunate enough to spend a day with IYCF and having someone of the calibre of Lloyd Rogers to take the pics is fantastic. Lots of skill and experience, and the determination to get great shots even if means donning chest waders or laying on the ground. Roy Westwood doesn't live far away and he bemoans the diminishing quality (in his view) of angling photography. I'm training up my photographer and he's improving fast but still a long way to go. It's certainly difficult to do the photography on your own though OK for some shots.

Great writers and great anglers? The best anglers that I know write nothing! They don't report their catches either but some of their catches would blow away many stars. So we're stuck with those that can write, photograph and fish successfully, and it will probably always be that way. But somehow every month there are at least a couple of hundred new articles written for the UK coarse angler.

The money! Richard Hewitt (wot owns this site) was staggered by the difference in what UK magazines pay and the amount paid by the best US magazines, something like a factor of 10. Still, it pays for the permits, petrol and bait.

Circulation. As I understand it IYCF sells about twice (or slightly more) the combined total of CF and CAT. I don't know what Angling Star sells but I wouldn't see it getting far on a national basis.

Sponsorship. I can't stand advertorials but the nature of our sport means that we bound to tell what we use/recommend. It's when you know that what you are reading is hype not what the angler actually uses that it gets difficult, or that the product is nowhere near as good as other products. The real downside of sponsorship is that the angler has to keep plugging stuff to keep the sponsorship so the articles are more about keeping going than writing something new. Which is also where a column can eventually become very boring simply because the writer has run out of things to say.

As Bob says there are far more freelancers about than staff writers even when it comes to news items which may surprise some.

I only read Mike Ladle and John Levell's blogs.
 

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Hi Bob and Mark,

I'm in no position to add anything to the points you've made on the industry of angling journalism - it's something I've never been involved in.

I agree that some of the best anglers don't write about their exploits, and certainly not online. Some of the best anglers I know are a generation or two ahead of me though. Some of the very best have seized the information available on the internet and put it to best use. I often wish that some of my local 'old boys' would share more as most of their local knowledge is dynamite for us upstarts.

I agree with Bob that the angling blog is at best hit and miss. Some have amazing pictures backed up by rambling words, others have endless words without either structure or results. Warmth and humour are often AWOL.

Let's face it, it's rare to find a word-smith, photographer and half decent angler within one person (and I'm not laying any claim to that crown)......like trying to find a virtuoso one man band!

What I would say though is that us bloggers are neither journalists or involved in the fishing industry. We're the punters. And the blog fills a niche for writing within a local context often missed by the nationals. Okay you might have to wade through some mud to get to the crystal clear waters but I believe the general standard is good enough to fill most lunch breaks at the desk.
 
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Great angling photography is a tough one. I've been fortunate enough to spend a day with IYCF and having someone of the calibre of Lloyd Rogers to take the pics is fantastic. Lots of skill and experience, and the determination to get great shots even if means donning chest waders or laying on the ground. Roy Westwood doesn't live far away and he bemoans the diminishing quality (in his view) of angling photography. I'm training up my photographer and he's improving fast but still a long way to go. It's certainly difficult to do the photography on your own though OK for some shots.

I've also spent a day with the IYCF team, way back in 97 and I can confirm that they sent out a top class EMAP staff photographer who really knew what he was doing.

Angling photography is a specialised field and if you are going to make a success of it, you have to leave your own fishing rod at home and get amongst a couple of good anglers.

The opportunities I have for good angling photography of myself are rare, as I don't have the right people around whan I'm catching fish. But I guess this goes for others too.

For instance I took an excellent catch of Trent perch the other day, a large number of fish up to 2 lbs 12oz that would have made a superb picture feature on catching big river perch, but it was midweek and there wasn't a soul on the river only myself.

But there is something else. Any action photography would have easily proclaimed to all and sundry where I was fishing. This would have upset a couple of my friends who also fish the same area. And make no mistake, publish a spot on the Trent where some good fish have been caught and you'll not get a look in for weeks after.

When I did a roach photo feature for IYCF on an Oxfordshire gravel pit years ago, I couldn't get my favoutite spot for weeks after that!

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The money! Richard Hewitt (wot owns this site) was staggered by the difference in what UK magazines pay and the amount paid by the best US magazines, something like a factor of 10. Still, it pays for the permits, petrol and bait.

It was quite different in the 60s Mark.

In those days I did a fair amount of articles for all the major national magazines and newspapers as well as for a couple of local publications. My first article was published in Midland Angler with subsequent pieces in Anging Telegraph, another local monthly.

The money I recieved was excellent and it encouraged me to do a lot more. I remember doing a couple of Angler's Mail centre spreads that paid somthing like £12 a time. This was 1965 remember when £12 was a reasonable weekly wage.

Try and get something like £500 for a couple of pages in a UK mag today!

The USA Field & Stream - yes!
 
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But there is something else. Any action photography would have easily proclaimed to all and sundry where I was fishing. This would have upset a couple of my friends who also fish the same area. And make no mistake, publish a spot on the Trent where some good fish have been caught and you'll not get a look in for weeks after.
Well said-- its often the main deciding factor why many anglers dont go to print, and if they do they tend to generalise rather than be specific, many a swim as suffered on account of being exposed to the media. Regarding the Angling Star- It was -from the outset only ever designed/meant to be published for local anglers and from that perspective is possibly one of the more successful angling papers of its kind.The editor-Jim Baxter- does a really good job with the material he receives from mainly local anglers plus one or two others from further afield-- the brief tends to be catering for the whole angling spectrum and anyone who sends Jim material will be given a chance. Its this that I think sets it aside from many of the more glossy/expensive monthlies -local anglers writing for local anglers-some of whom- having wet thier feet so to speak- sometimes move on to the "big boys"- while some return after having had one or two pieces published by them. A difficult original question, but somewhere out there is something to cater for everybody.
 
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A difficult original question, but somewhere out there is something to cater for everybody.

The issue is that, perhaps, we cannot be looking for one journal to meet all our needs. What is it that I look for? I want evocative writing that gets to the soul of why we fish, the delight of being in the landscape. The small pleasures from the other aspects of being outside such as the flora, the fauna. I want a writer who realises there is more to angling than just catching fish.

However I do want to be kept aware of the latest techniques and ideas. To know of the latest products - if only to mutter "a fool and his money are easily parted" - and then forget the maxim when i see something I've just read about in Edgeley Sports.

I want articles that bring tears to my eyes...of sorrow as i read John Bailey's heartbreak at the deterioration of lake he has fished since a child or tears of laughter as Mr. Perkins delivers again.

I like a bit of controversy and strong opinion, even if I disagree, so Des Taylor in print or Bob Roberts in his blog, for example, are good value.

And I am of an age where I will be able to chunter on about the golden age of weekly journalism being long gone and point to the the likes of Wilock, Gammon, Walker, Keal, Gibbinson and others (some bloke called Marsden seems to be lurking in the back of my mind!).

We ain't going to get it all in one place, or even two. And in reality I suppose we never could. But actually these days there is a lot available as others have said. Yep product placement does get a bit over the top but it helps fund the magazines - live with it.

I'll read Perks, Meeghan, Bob Roberts and anything else I come across. I will receive CF every month and I got given a sub to IYCF as a Xmas pressie - yep a lot of it is repetitive, its full of product placement but there is some good stuff in it - Paul Garner and the current focus on more scenic waters spring to mind. There is still good writing out there...sometimes in surprising places.

And of course best of all there is Fishing Magic!!! Well I would say that wouldn't I!

This response was not sponsored by Tickletackle, Pallet Racks, Dai -Wah or Krystonight Bivvie Bevvies - but I 'll give em a plug cos one day, perhaps one day, !!!!!!
 

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In my humble opinion the place for evocative writing is in blogs and books rather than magazines, mainly because you have to be 'tuned in' to that persons writing style and seek it out. What I might enjoy reading, you may not, so it will always be hit and miss in a magazine context.

I have to disagree with Mark on circulation copies. CAT and CF combined don't even print half the number of copies that IYCF sells. IYCF is Europe's largest selling fishing magazine. It frequently outsells Angling Times and the proof can be found in the Audit Bureau of Circulation figures (ABC).

As I always understood it, to apply for an ABC accreditation a publication had to sell 25,000 copies minimum. Coarse Angler in Colin Dyson's editorial era had one and published it. Five minutes after the editorship changed it went bust!

I think you would be surprised by how few copies CF and CAT actually sell. They are very much niche publications and do not have the clout to get on supermarket shelves which is now vital to volume sales.

Ron touches on a sore point with some, ie, giving away locations but I doubt it would make a gnat's difference if he did publish pics because so few anglers would go and target perch on the Trent. There are perch pretty much everywhere on the river running far bigger than the ones he caught. Archie Braddock had about 50+ river three's from the Trent Valley a couple of seasons back. Didn't make any difference to the number of anglers around. Everyone still points two rods at the heavens with one specie in mind.

But what a selfish attitude to take if we want great angling articles from others if we then keep our own catches, techniques and locations a secret...

It isn't possible to have it both ways, surely?

Self-take photos have never been easier to take since cameras went electronic and the information recorded digitally. You either set it up on a tripod or on a bank stick. How hard is that? A couple of test shots allows you to establish the correct exposure and framing, then you're away.

I have a fairly expensive (£70) remote that can be programmed to fire multiple shots at intervals at the push of a button. I can shoot scenics and action should I wish if I go to a little trouble first. Much cheaper ones are available.

How many anglers rush for their camera when they catch a fish yet fal to take shots of the dawn and the sun setting? How many look for pictures while they're out on the bank? How hard is it to create an interesting tackle/ still life shot?

Sorry, most anglers are lazy so we get an uninspiring picture of a fish laid flat on a landing net, coverd in bits of grass and mud. It doesn't have to be that way - look at the simple fish compositions of a Bailey or a Bob James...

It isn't the responsibility of those who currently write articles to change the media. It's the responsibility of editors to lead and inspire. But more than anything, it's up to those who complain to do something about it. If you don't buy the mags you hardly have a right to compalin what's in them but you can do something constructive like writing your own articles, taking great pictures and submitting them to the magazines.

But could you honestly bring something new and refreshing to the table? And if so, for how long?

The idea that only the chosen few are allowed to write articles is a complete misnomer. They are the ones who make an effort and they do it consistently. Any fool can write one good article. Some might write three, but you try and deliver top class copy on a weekly basis backed up with aspirational pictures.

Then throw in a couple of monthlies, a blog, forum posts, catalogue material, shows, TV, DVDs, etc, etc, and see how you get on. Not forgetting that you also have to catch fish in between all this.

Is it different for those who are making 'secret' captures of remarkable fish?

Yes, probably because they aren't wasting half their lives trying to keep media readers happy and they stick with what they know works in the same old places. If they had to invent a new rig, bait, technique, accessory every five minutes and catch fish on them to keep a fickle readership amused they'd soon see their catches diminishing...
 

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If you don't buy the mags you hardly have a right to compalin what's in them.


yet the point you missed here being if there was something in the mags worth reading people would stop complaining and buy them.

so yes people have every right to complain that the media which is supposed to supply them with something interesting to read, fails so spectacularly to do so.
 

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But isn't this where we miss the point?

Magazines are vehicles created to make a profit and there is nothing that requires them to pander to a demand for 'something interesting' to read by an audience that 'might' buy it if they like it.

Logic suggests that the many, many thousands that buy the instructional magazines have their needs met or they would not continue to sell at such high volumes.

It is only those publications that chase the fickle, shall we say 'discerning' customer that appear to fail.

If I were to list the the 5 main objectives of a successful magazine (you may disagree) they would probably be:

1. Make Profit
2. Cut costs to an absolute minimum
3. Maximise advertising income
4. Keep advertisers happy by ensuring weighted editorial exposure
5. Secure best possible distribution to maximise income

Nowhere in the top five will you find any mention of editorial control and direction.

Because so many angling publications are freelance generated you will find they do no invest in their writers. Not once have I ever heard of a publisher sending/ funding a freelancer on a writing or photography course. It simply doesn't happen. Freelancers are not invited to editorial meetings.

Only a fool would re-mortgage his house to launch a whimsical magazine based on writers that no-one is even sure exist for an audience that is generally jaundiced and expects to read everything for free anyway.

The only vehicle that could possibly support such an audience would be a free publication distributed through tackle shops and fisheries funded entirely by advertising. Try running that one by your bank manager...
 
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good luck basing your business model on providing instructional materials to people who have already read it then.

seems like a recipe for the death of an industry to me though.

innovation breeds growth stagnation ultimately brings failure,

emminently demonstrated through the relative fortunes of the brithish and japanese motor manufacturers during the 1970's.
 
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Ron touches on a sore point with some, ie, giving away locations but I doubt it would make a gnat's difference if he did publish pics because so few anglers would go and target perch on the Trent. There are perch pretty much everywhere on the river running far bigger than the ones he caught. Archie Braddock had about 50+ river three's from the Trent Valley a couple of seasons back. Didn't make any difference to the number of anglers around. Everyone still points two rods at the heavens with one specie in mind.

Yes, that's true.

Even if you try and get people to float fish for barbel, the vast majority aint going to listen Bob. The vast majority of barbel anglers these days are ex-carp anglers and chucking out a boilie on a bolt rig is all they know.

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Regarding the Angling Star- It was -from the outset only ever designed/meant to be published for local anglers and from that perspective is possibly one of the more successful angling papers of its kind.The editor-Jim Baxter- does a really good job with the material he receives from mainly local anglers plus one or two others from further afield-- the brief tends to be catering for the whole angling spectrum and anyone who sends Jim material will be given a chance

The pre-cursor to the Angling Star was the Angling Telegraph which almost became a national monthly in the 70s. It started off in 1962 on ordinary newsprint. It initially sold for 3 pence I think and people like Colin Graham, GC Greaves, John Neville and Tag Barnes were the main columnists. It had 24 pages and much of the content for the first few issues consisted of match results, river reports and Tag with his specimen hunters column.

Then myself and Steve Crawshaw started churning out the features. And Sheffield Newspapers paid bloody good money. Not only that but they often paid Steve and myself day ticket, bait and travel expenses. On some occasions they even paid for the hire of a fast car!! Old Dave Fenney the editor took pity on the bangers we drove then.

No kidding.

I nearly packed up my full time job to become a freelance. Steve went on to work for Sheffield Newspapers, moving to Wigan at about the same time as I moved to SA.

But fishing newspapers don't pay decent money to freelancers these days.
 

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If I were to list the the 5 main objectives of a successful magazine (you may disagree) they would probably be: 1. Make Profit 2. Cut costs to an absolute minimum 3. Maximise advertising income 4. Keep advertisers happy by ensuring weighted editorial exposure 5. Secure best possible distribution to maximise income

I have to say I was pretty surprised by that. I don’t know anything about publishing but if the customer does not appear in your top 5 priorities then I would say you are heading for failure.

I hope I don’t appear rude but sometimes you cant see the wood for the trees and I think in this case Bobs experience as an editor is working against him. I am assuming he was under a huge amount of pressure to cut cost and increase say advertising revenue. Naturally under constant pressure your focus is going to swing to these things and you lose sight of the underlying base for your sales in the first place…people who want to read what you print.
 

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I still think Eric Horsfall Turner had it weighed up nicely:

Eric Horsfall Turner put it well in 1966:
"The success of any press venture is reliant on two interdependent factors. The revenue from advertising must make a substantial contribution to production costs; and the selection of editorial copy must be adjusted to attract the greatest number of purchasers, so that the level of circulation will attract the potential advertisers."


That's only a short quote from a much longer chapter in Angler's Cavalcade but it still holds true. Note the selection of editorial copy part.
 

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I have to say I was pretty surprised by that. I don’t know anything about publishing but if the customer does not appear in your top 5 priorities then I would say you are heading for failure.

I hope I don’t appear rude but sometimes you cant see the wood for the trees and I think in this case Bobs experience as an editor is working against him. I am assuming he was under a huge amount of pressure to cut cost and increase say advertising revenue. Naturally under constant pressure your focus is going to swing to these things and you lose sight of the underlying base for your sales in the first place…people who want to read what you print.


oh i don't doubt that what bob says is entirely correct, our angling publishing industry just don't consider its readership to be a priority at all.

they know more about publising than their readers which makes them the expert.
though i wonder how angling mag circulation figures compare with say golfing mag circulation figures
 
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What an interesting thread this is turning in to.

I see what you're saying Philip, but the bigger mags are under non-stop pressure from the massive multi-nationals who own them to both cut costs and increase ad revenue while also improving circulation. In an ideal world, the Editor would be free to commission cutting edge features to gain new readers and keep their core readership happy.

Unfortunately Bob hits the nail on the head when he talks about a jaundiced audience wanting it all for free. There has to be a market for selling content to, whether paper based, electronic or film content or there becomes no point trying to make any kind of living from working as a writer/photographer/film maker etc.
I have often had conversations where I suggest that I should be able to walk into a supermarket and help myself, because that is the expectation with regard to my photographs and films. Not a healthy state to be in if we want angling journalism to continue.

Self take photos are not difficult, but they will impede and restrict your own fishing. I'm sure that is the real reason why there are not more good quality self-takes in the mags.
You will need a good quality tripod to be secure when you leave it in the margins while you play a fish. I have lost one digital camera to a lively Indian carp. I am more careful now when my camera is in the water and I'm swimming a fish past it for the tenth time as I count down the timer.

Hand in hand with this last point is that many would-be photographers are too keen to get the job done and get away.
When I was first working for a well-known Editor, and shooting slides (obviously pre digi), he suggested I shoot around 10 rolls of film to ensure I got the best shots. While it is easier to get shots 'right' now by chimping, it is, equally, a lot cheaper to take huundreds of shots. So why settle for one catch shot, one action shot from the left and one from the right?
Take a look through any mag now and count how many times an angler is posed with either: rod or pole cutting through face or fish 'hanging' in the landing net. Once upon a time those kind of shots would not be accepted and they are easier to avoid now that we can instantly review the shot.
It is just laziness. And the same applies when doing self-takes - spend some time and do some work if that is what you are trying to do. Accept that the fishing will suffer but you will get some great pictures.

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Payments for freelance work are generally 10-20% less now than they were 5 years ago. Mainly due to cuts in expenses payments since the ad sales slump.
I'm not sure about the general angling or speccy angling mags, but the mags that I mainly work(ed) for over the last twelve years now take one freelance article per month compared to three or four five years ago.

Another interesting point to make is about reader surveys.
Many mags do base their content on feedback through surveys. On one publication, I was only allowed to shoot articles about rod and line fishing after a majority of readers in a survey said there was too much pole fishing.
I know that I may as well suggest an article about fishing on the moon rather than pitch an idea about Devon or Cornwall because readership is very limited down here for most mags.
So even though a survey may only have a return of a couple of thousand from a five-figure readership, it still pays to fill it in because it will shape Editorial policy.

I have often argued with people about the numbers of anglers who are truly involved with their sport. One way of guesstimating this number is by adding up the combined circulation of the angling press.
I suspect the figure is somewhere in the region of 25,000 (possibly 30,000) for all the papers and mags featuring coarse fishing as their main content.
Given that there are supposed to be over 1 million anglers (basing my figures on how the EA tries to sell ad space in its own publications), I feel it is a very sorry state of affairs and we perhaps get the press we deserve and can afford.
 

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interesting.

it would appear that the top golfing title has around 60% higher circulation that the top angling title, this with a presumably smaller customer base to achieve sales from, assuming that angling is of course the largest participation sport in the country as it is repeatedly touted to be.
 

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i could only go off one of the ABC industry figures, which was showing one of the golf titles at round 85K and purportedly the top angling title round 55k
 

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The business model of instructional content follows the golden rule of not fixing what isn't already broke. We've had innovation in the shape of a dozen fine publications and all went bust. What does that tell us?

If you added together every genuine new development over the past ten years and wrote an article on each I doubt it would fill one magazine and guess what? They will all have been covered at some point in IYCF and Angling Times at least three times already.

So what shall we write about in next month's issue?

I would never suggest the reader doesn't matter, it's just that he doesn't figure in the top five priorities. To think otherwise would be suicide in today's extremely difficult market place. But you have to understand what he wants and that is proven time and again by market research.

The base of the triangle wants how to, where to and what with. The tip of the triangle is so far up its own bottom it actually doesn't know what it wants, it just wants something different that's 'better'. Exactly what 'better' is no one is sure. Who will write it is equally mysterious. Who will foot the bill is always 'somebody else'.

Most who call for change more often than not read their magazines and determine their viewpoint on furtively flicking through the titles in WH Smith and Tesco...

Whimsy already exists. It's called Waterlog and costs a lot of money compared with the other titles. I'd hate to imagine how small the circulation is.
 

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The business model of instructional content follows the golden rule of not fixing what isn't already broke. We've had innovation in the shape of a dozen fine publications and all went bust. What does that tell us?

If you added together every genuine new development over the past ten years and wrote an article on each I doubt it would fill one magazine and guess what? They will all have been covered at some point in IYCF and Angling Times at least three times already.

So what shall we write about in next month's issue?

I would never suggest the reader doesn't matter, it's just that he doesn't figure in the top five priorities. To think otherwise would be suicide in today's extremely difficult market place. But you have to understand what he wants and that is proven time and again by market research.

The base of the triangle wants how to, where to and what with. The tip of the triangle is so far up its own bottom it actually doesn't know what it wants, it just wants something different that's 'better'. Exactly what 'better' is no one is sure. Who will write it is equally mysterious. Who will foot the bill is always 'somebody else'.

Most who call for change more often than not read their magazines and determine their viewpoint on furtively flicking through the titles in WH Smith and Tesco...

Whimsy already exists. It's called Waterlog and costs a lot of money compared with the other titles. I'd hate to imagine how small the circulation is.


but as this "base" appears to be around 5.5% of the potential target audience wouldn't this then suggest otherwise, surely if the mags were engaging the interest of their target audience then more than 5.5% of it would be reading them.
 
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