Angling books that should have been written

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Did Fred J Taylor ever write an angling book ?

I find that comment incredible, in that people have even forgotten old Fred who won a MBE for his services to angling!

Other than one, I have all Fred J Taylor's books. A first edition of "Favourite Swims", which was his best book, is worth a hell of a lot of money these days.

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Very true, I still have my first edition of his first book 'Angling in earnest' 1958 which was a birthday present. The only edition/book I believe that he appeared on the cover as Fred Taylor (no 'J').

There were two Fred Taylors, Fred J of Aylesbury and Fred of Oxford.

Fred of Oxford had a tackle shop, was a good all round angler and wrote a book called: "The Competent Angler". This is a book I have been after for a long time.

Whoops mistake.

It was Bill Taylor of Oxford who wrote the book - "The Competent Angler!
 
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I find that comment incredible, in that people have even forgotten old Fred who won a MBE for his services to angling!

Other than one, I have all Fred J Taylor's books. A first edition of "Favourite Swims", which was his best book, is worth a hell of a lot of money these days.

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There were two Fred Taylors, Fred J of Aylesbury and Fred of Oxford.

Fred of Oxford had a tackle shop, was a good all round angler and wrote a book called: "The Competent Angler". This is a book I have been after for a long time.

Whoops mistake.

It was Bill Taylor of Oxford who wrote the book - "The Competent Angler!

This was Fred J Ron, maybe Chevin could enlighten us as to why he used the 'J' from the second edition of Angling in earnest (and indeed used a small 'e' in earnest) and then throughout his lifetime?
Jerry
 

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There was another Fred Taylor who wrote Tunny Fishing for Beginners. Published by Seeley Service in 1934. Quite an interesting little book.
 

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This was Fred J Ron, maybe Chevin could enlighten us as to why he used the 'J' from the second edition of Angling in earnest (and indeed used a small 'e' in earnest) and then throughout his lifetime?

I think that was to distinguish between Fred of Oxford and Fred J of Aylesbury.

Around 1959, Peter Stone wrote:

"At the time, **** and Fred J Taylor from Aylesbury had not met the "Oxford" Fred Taylor who owned a tackle shop in the city. Fred was a friend and we thought it would be a good idea if we could get the two anglers together. **** suggested I arrange for the two to meet and spend a day fishing, with **** taking photographs of the meeting which might appear as a centre spread in Angling Times."
 

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I find that comment incredible, in that people have even forgotten old Fred who won a MBE for his services to angling!

More incredible is that I think I may actually have 2 of those books ! LOL.

Googling I see some of the earlier titles were reprinted, the orginals must be worth a bomb now I would think
 

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I think that was to distinguish between Fred of Oxford and Fred J of Aylesbury.

Around 1959, Peter Stone wrote:

"At the time, **** and Fred J Taylor from Aylesbury had not met the "Oxford" Fred Taylor who owned a tackle shop in the city. Fred was a friend and we thought it would be a good idea if we could get the two anglers together. **** suggested I arrange for the two to meet and spend a day fishing, with **** taking photographs of the meeting which might appear as a centre spread in Angling Times."

That would explain it then Ron, the addition of the 'J' in 1959.
Jerry
 

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Bill Taylor who was, I believe, a schoolmaster at Oxford, also wrote Bream Fever (quite hard to find) and A Guide to Fishing The Upper Thames.

Go to bookfinder.com and put in The Competent Angler and you'll get a reasonable copy for £5, double that for one with dj. That site is good for finding books.
 
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Bill Taylor who was, I believe, a schoolmaster at Oxford, also wrote Bream Fever (quite hard to find) and A Guide to Fishing The Upper Thames.

Go to bookfinder.com and put in The Competent Angler and you'll get a reasonable copy for £5, double that for one with dj. That site is good for finding books.

Thanks Mark.

With all the Taylors involved in angling, it's quite possible to be a little confused at times.

And I do have a signed copy of your "Big Roach" book!

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One guy we must not forget, a great angler and writer - my good friend Frank Guttfield.

Frank's record of 5 pound tench, which were monsters in their day, was unequalled. His book - "In Search of Big Fish", is regarded by many as a classic. It was one of the inspirations I had in forming the Northern Specimen Group.

Frank was inspired, and encouraged to write about his fishing by **** Walker of course. In those days Frank lived in Arlesey and was a junior member of the Hitchin AC. Frank fished with some of the top names of the day, people like Jack Hilton, Bill Quinlan, Peter Stone, Mike Winter, Peter Frost and Bill Keal.
 

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Fred Taylor the tackle dealer was often confused with Fred J Taylor who was writing regularly in the press at the same time Fred had his shop. As it brought trade into the shop Fred did little to disabuse them of the notion.
 
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Bill Taylor who was, I believe, a schoolmaster at Oxford, also wrote Bream Fever (quite hard to find)

Bid for a copy on e-bay recently but was out-bid. Remember having it on virtually permanent loan from the school library.

I believe Bill Taylor was, at one time, Headmaster at Oldborough Manor Secondary Modern School in Maidstone. Now that is a really useless bit of trivia for you!!
 
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Thanks Merv and Peter,

Copy ordered through Amazon..inc. p&p at less than the copy on ebay....

(the ebay site was clearly a book dealer....must be a good earning if he/she is selling successfully at those prices...now where are those books by Marsden and Wintle...could pay for my retirement!!!)
 

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Firstly, Hi Mr Monk, 'hows it hanging' :eek::eek:.

Secondly, thanks for the 'endorsement' of Rons standing in relation to angling, I hate battling on my own :)

Thirdly, it amazes me that almost everyone states how many articles/books are 'ghost' written. For the last God knows how many years, lap-tops/mobile phones, give an immediate photographic/written account of bankside activity amongst the current 'vogue' of anglers who may spend days at the waters edge. Is it more a case of 'cleaning up' the rough edges of an article.

Hi Merv, hows you doing mate, its not hanging too badly at the mo
 

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This was Fred J Ron, maybe Chevin could enlighten us as to why he used the 'J' from the second edition of Angling in earnest (and indeed used a small 'e' in earnest) and then throughout his lifetime?
Jerry

As has been pointed out, Fred J used the J to differentiate between himself and the Oford tackle dealer. Of course the J stood for James, his middle name.

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Thanks Mark.

With all the Taylors involved in angling, it's quite possible to be a little confused at times.

And I do have a signed copy of your "Big Roach" book!

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One guy we must not forget, a great angler and writer - my good friend Frank Guttfield.

Frank's record of 5 pound tench, which were monsters in their day, was unequalled. His book - "In Search of Big Fish", is regarded by many as a classic. It was one of the inspirations I had in forming the Northern Specimen Group.

Frank was inspired, and encouraged to write about his fishing by **** Walker of course. In those days Frank lived in Arlesey and was a junior member of the Hitchin AC. Frank fished with some of the top names of the day, people like Jack Hilton, Bill Quinlan, Peter Stone, Mike Winter, Peter Frost and Bill Keal.

Frank also started the specimen group named The Arlesey Whopperstoppers of which I was a mnember. It was in that group that I met The late Alan Brown who I regard as being one of the best anglers I have ever met and fished with. I remember Jack Hilton becoming known and I was kneeling beside him with a landing net when he lost a carp that may have been one of the biggest ever caught in England had he landed it. In those days, Peter Frost and I fished Tiddenfoot Pit every evening for the big bream we were sure we're there, but sadly we failed. However, Peter did get carp of 25 and 31lbs. The closest I came to a Tiddenfoot carp was a run from what we believed was a large carp that jumped in the same place each evening. After that run the fish never jumped again.

In those days, Bill Keal fished with Alex Lewis and they were generally referred to as Keal and Lewis. However, Lewis suddenly disappeared from the scene though I have no idea why.

Bill didn't have a car so he was dependent on those who had them for transport and I once had the pleasure of driving him to Carrick so that the two of us could fish Lough Allen with FJ for pike. Despite all of our attempts and the use of some fantastic lures invented and made by Bill, we didn't catch any pike. It was a bit embarrassing really because we had been the guests of the Irish Inland Fisheries Trust to publicise the pike fishing in the area. Bill eventually got himself a car and was tragically killed in a road accident not long afterwards.

They were great days in fishing, there were so many of us trying new things on new and well known waters. I was fortunate enough to catch some barbel deliberately from the Great Ouse when their presence in the river was questionable. At the same time, Bill Keal was catching some huge fish in the near by Eggit's lake, and neither of us knew the other was in the area.

Sadly, so many from those days are no longer with us and with their passing angling has lost some great exponents and characters.
 

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Angling books that should be written

I'd like to see an angling book which follows a river from source to sea indicating who has fishing rights be that private, club or free, updated every couple of seasons.
 
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I recently had an article published in the magazine: "Classic Angling" which covers the formation of the National association of Specimen Groups. Kevin Clifford was very kind in sending Keith Elliot - the editor of Classic Anging a couple of photos, one of which showed the people in Mike Winter's Devon Carp Catchers, one of the first single species groups.

As regards the very first specimen group - that is a hard one. The first group with the term: "Specimen Hunter" in the name was "The London Specimen Hunter's Club" shortly after that there came "The Oxford Specimen Group" formed by Peter Stone and the Northern Specimen Group" formed by moi.

Other groups that came along was the Arlesey Whopper Stoppers of course and a strange group of anglers in North East Yorkshire, who for a period had Barrie Rickards as a member. Unfortunately Barrie is not with us, otherwise I would have had more details of his early and mysterious "Northern Group".

The thing to keep in mind about the early specimen groups was that they were not single species organisations. In fact we fished for just about everything, other than gudgeon, ruffes and sea species. OK we did have anglers such as Ray Webb who specialised in pike and tench, and for a period, Eric Hodson and Tag Barnes fished for nothing other than carp. But most of us professed to be all rounders, and that's what we were.

There are those who believe that organisations such as "The Carp Catchers Club" and "The Tench Fishers" were among the early specimen groups. I don't think they were; these were single species groups that were the pre-cursors to "The Barbel Society" and "The Tench Fishers".
 

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Re: Angling books that should be written

I'd like to see an angling book which follows a river river from source to sea indicating who has fishing rights be that private, club or free, updated every couple of seasons.

A great idea but one that would take a lot to update and keep current.

Could be good for rivers like the Severn, Thames and the Avons . . . . .
 
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