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Ron 'The Hat' Clay (ACA)
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Wow, some old names there from the past.
I wonder what has happened to them?
I wonder what has happened to them?
Dave Smith
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Sedge is here http://www.sicm.org/anglingdiary/index.html not posted (to my knowledge) on here for a good while. though I think he still posts on AN.
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Fred Bonney
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Monk,the posts are 6 years old!
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The Monk
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I'm not saying I'm wrong because there is a clash in the initials used by both groups which could cause confusion.It was mentioned on a personal level and nothing official from the BCSG.I don't see why I should use a personal email when the post is on a public forum.I expect other BCSG members will come across this in time.At no time was I trying to be Provocative I was just mentioning that there could be some confusion.
No problem mate, I`m sure you wasnt on a wind up, the problem with the BCSG under Peter Mohans rein was that the group greated much ill feeling among carp anglers, it drove a wedge through the sport, my closest mate in angling coined the name and co-founded the organisation with peter back in 1969, this was done under the auspices of the NASG and came about because Peter Mohasn had his application turned down for the National Carp Club (the only carp group in Britain at the time)Peter wrote to Eric Hodson, NASG founder asking if Eric could pull any strings to get him in the group and Eric suggested that Peter form his own group and Eric helped him to do so, sadly Peter pulled the BSCG out of NASG and ran the group along the lines of a non-political body, the group strugglerd on for a few years and later the CAA was born to help subsidise it. I have quite a few intersting documents here which have never been published, but indicate the issues the early NASG had. It was not really until 1981 sand the birth of the carp society that things began to improve.
My one and only BCSG application was turned down back in the mid seventies, my old mate Des Taylor also got turned down around the same time, I wasnt turned down because of the size of fish i`d caught, indeed Peter told me I had caught bigger fish than some members, but the feedback I recieved was that I was trying to be a name before my time, amazing, and this was from an experienced branch sec, nothing like encouraging then youth of this country. I`ve never been a great believer in the philosophy that all anglers are equal, but some are more equal than others...... Sorry your post hit a raw nerve!
No problem mate, I`m sure you wasnt on a wind up, the problem with the BCSG under Peter Mohans rein was that the group greated much ill feeling among carp anglers, it drove a wedge through the sport, my closest mate in angling coined the name and co-founded the organisation with peter back in 1969, this was done under the auspices of the NASG and came about because Peter Mohasn had his application turned down for the National Carp Club (the only carp group in Britain at the time)Peter wrote to Eric Hodson, NASG founder asking if Eric could pull any strings to get him in the group and Eric suggested that Peter form his own group and Eric helped him to do so, sadly Peter pulled the BSCG out of NASG and ran the group along the lines of a non-political body, the group strugglerd on for a few years and later the CAA was born to help subsidise it. I have quite a few intersting documents here which have never been published, but indicate the issues the early NASG had. It was not really until 1981 sand the birth of the carp society that things began to improve.
My one and only BCSG application was turned down back in the mid seventies, my old mate Des Taylor also got turned down around the same time, I wasnt turned down because of the size of fish i`d caught, indeed Peter told me I had caught bigger fish than some members, but the feedback I recieved was that I was trying to be a name before my time, amazing, and this was from an experienced branch sec, nothing like encouraging then youth of this country. I`ve never been a great believer in the philosophy that all anglers are equal, but some are more equal than others...... Sorry your post hit a raw nerve!
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The Monk
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doesnt matter Fred, I`m still having my say haha
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Warren 'Hatrick' (Wol) Gaunt
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Never bored Brum, was gonna do a talk for ya..........
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And i am BCSG!
)And i am BCSG!
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Ron 'The Hat' Clay (ACA)
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Mate,
I was bloodywell invited to join the BCSG by Eric and I was a member for several years until I lost interest in Carp Fishing.
I could never take Mohan easily. He sounded like a dictator when he wrote his editorials in The Carp.
There was a strange set of qualifications for joining the BCSG. I've never been able to understand what they really were.
I was bloodywell invited to join the BCSG by Eric and I was a member for several years until I lost interest in Carp Fishing.
I could never take Mohan easily. He sounded like a dictator when he wrote his editorials in The Carp.
There was a strange set of qualifications for joining the BCSG. I've never been able to understand what they really were.
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The Monk
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yes you and everyone else Ron, sadly we had many similar National groups in the early days, all they achieved was to segregate anglers, NASG tried to stamp this sort of thing out and get anglers working together, **** Walker once decribed these groups as non-existant universities who met in telephone boxes, very sad. Good luck to you Wol, I still have many friends in the BCSG and I spent a good deal of my time and and money promoting and raising funds for the organiosation back in the 70s, prior to having a fall out with Peter because of our differences of opinions, its just the way these organisations were set up that worries me, certainly not for me mate, thankfully in relative recent years the organisation has taken a political stance and now sits on SAA, so good luck to the new committee!
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Ron 'The Hat' Clay (ACA)
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Old **** was all for dialogue and comradeship between national groups. Which were/are different to the specimen group concept.
By the "Dark 70s" however, a few of these groups became almost like secret organisations with signs and handshakes.
The "Ultra Cult" period had begun.
By the "Dark 70s" however, a few of these groups became almost like secret organisations with signs and handshakes.
The "Ultra Cult" period had begun.
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John H Member of THE C.S.G.. & The A.T.
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Reading through the Chub Study Group history, there is mention of a letter sent in 1968 to Eric H by Charlie Landells asking for help from the NASG to set up a Chub Group. At that time NASG was attempting to be the parent/umbrella organisation over the other Groups.
Eric replied "...therefore to conclude, might I suggest that we get the "Roach Anglers" underway and then we can consider the formation of a Chub Group, providing we can find sufficient officers to run it".
The National Chub Specimen Group did form in 1969 under its founding Sec Brian Lloyd. The Chub Study Group is now in it's 35th year; I believe a roach group eventually was set away only a few years ago, is it still running Ron?
Someone has recently sugested the CSG adopt the BCSG application system??
I think not!
Eric replied "...therefore to conclude, might I suggest that we get the "Roach Anglers" underway and then we can consider the formation of a Chub Group, providing we can find sufficient officers to run it".
The National Chub Specimen Group did form in 1969 under its founding Sec Brian Lloyd. The Chub Study Group is now in it's 35th year; I believe a roach group eventually was set away only a few years ago, is it still running Ron?
Someone has recently sugested the CSG adopt the BCSG application system??
I think not!
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The Monk
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I suspect the National Chub Specimen Group went into the CSG, i`ll have to check the old NASG lists to make sure. I`d be surprised if any group adopted the BCSG application system in this day and age, it certainly wouldnt do the group a lot of good, we buried this kind of attitude back in the 70s, most organisations these days realise that politically anglers need to pull together, any form of segregation (and we have enough through the different disciplines within angling) is detremental politically to angling. Most of the groups with good political insight modified and adopted an open membership criteria, angling is after all for everyone, the few groups who are left who still adopt a selective crietria for membership application, do so mainly for nostalgic reasons (so they have told me) sadly this tuype of selection can attract the one type, I think the barbel catchers still apply a similar system, personally I dont think its a good idea and it is one aspect of the growth of specialist angling which did cause many problems and divisions within the rank and file, naturally specialists become obsessive about their sport and don`t want to be told that they are not good enough to join a body that sets itself up as a National representative group for a particular specie, all this kind of immature thinking only creates offence and segregation among anglers with similar interests, wow get me guys, I`m a member of the British whatever National study group, its a joke really.
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Gary Knowles
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Best bite you've had in ages this Wol huh?
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The Monk
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haha
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John H Member of THE C.S.G.. & The A.T.
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Yes Monk, The CSG was formed in 1972 after the break-up of the old The National Chub Specimen Group.
Two of the founding members, Dave gamble and Charlie Landells, are still very active within the Group.
Dave G is still chasing the big chub on the East Midlands rivers (since his retirement he has also taken to catching carp and tench) and old Charlie now divides his time equally between chubbing on the Hants Avon/Dorset Stour and socialising with some guy called Johnny Walker.
Charlie is also president of the Group, having accepted the position after the sad loss of Peter Stone.
We operate on a similar basis to the BCC, which has served us well over the years.
Any chubbers out there who would be interested in joining a merry little group then please e-mail me.
Two of the founding members, Dave gamble and Charlie Landells, are still very active within the Group.
Dave G is still chasing the big chub on the East Midlands rivers (since his retirement he has also taken to catching carp and tench) and old Charlie now divides his time equally between chubbing on the Hants Avon/Dorset Stour and socialising with some guy called Johnny Walker.
Charlie is also president of the Group, having accepted the position after the sad loss of Peter Stone.
We operate on a similar basis to the BCC, which has served us well over the years.
Any chubbers out there who would be interested in joining a merry little group then please e-mail me.
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The Monk
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cheers John, nice to she some of our older groups are still active, I`m not really certain how the BCC operate I can remember inviting them to do a stand for me about ten years ago at an exibition I was organising ,they put on an excellent display, very nice and helpful chaps, I also had the BCSG put a stand up and had the great privilliage of having my good Friend Eric Hodson (then BSCG President)and Dr Rex Elgood man the exibition
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The Monk
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I believe a roach group eventually was set away only a few years ago,
Yes John, I don`t think the Roachfishers are active now though, we did have a Rochfishers back in the 60s of course and we also had a national bream group which was kent based, I think Bob Ralph had something to do with it. The tenchfishers and barbel catches are not the original 1950s organisations, nor is the Perchfishers.
Barbel and Eels have always appeared to have a number of National groups dedicated to them, prior to the Barbel Society, indeed we had about 5 barbel groups in the early 90s at one stage, we still have about 5 eel groups, the Oldest of course is the National Angullia Club founded by Arthur Sutton in 1962 which predates NASG of course, Dr Terry Coulson took the group into NASG shortly after the NASG was up and running, most of the modern ear National single specie group came after the Carp Catches Club in 1952, I think the original tenchfishers would have been formed in 1954 if my memory serves me right, we did however have a few specialist groups prior to the fifties, the Red Spinners was one of note and even earlier the Golden Barbel Club
The catfish is another movement which has recently come into prominence, I`m sure it was Bob ralph again who formed the first catfish group, although technically it was a localised SG, the kent SG who did a lot of work on Woburn in the 60s, the catfish Conservation group was the first National group proper and we now have another one as well.
Of interest we also have a non-angling carp group who have much expertise, the British Koi Society.
http://www.bkks.co.uk/
Yes John, I don`t think the Roachfishers are active now though, we did have a Rochfishers back in the 60s of course and we also had a national bream group which was kent based, I think Bob Ralph had something to do with it. The tenchfishers and barbel catches are not the original 1950s organisations, nor is the Perchfishers.
Barbel and Eels have always appeared to have a number of National groups dedicated to them, prior to the Barbel Society, indeed we had about 5 barbel groups in the early 90s at one stage, we still have about 5 eel groups, the Oldest of course is the National Angullia Club founded by Arthur Sutton in 1962 which predates NASG of course, Dr Terry Coulson took the group into NASG shortly after the NASG was up and running, most of the modern ear National single specie group came after the Carp Catches Club in 1952, I think the original tenchfishers would have been formed in 1954 if my memory serves me right, we did however have a few specialist groups prior to the fifties, the Red Spinners was one of note and even earlier the Golden Barbel Club
The catfish is another movement which has recently come into prominence, I`m sure it was Bob ralph again who formed the first catfish group, although technically it was a localised SG, the kent SG who did a lot of work on Woburn in the 60s, the catfish Conservation group was the first National group proper and we now have another one as well.
Of interest we also have a non-angling carp group who have much expertise, the British Koi Society.
http://www.bkks.co.uk/
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Ron 'The Hat' Clay (ACA)
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The Tench Fishers I think was started by John Ellis - a mate of Maurice Ingham in 1952 mate. I have the feeling that they were mentioned in the first edition of Stillwater Angling which was published in 1953.
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The Monk
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I`m not sure Ron, I thought the original group was formed in 1954 started by Gordon Wood a mate of yours?
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The Monk
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I`ve found this on the Tenchfishers website Ron, I remember there was a gap between the original group and the new body but I`d have to check out my old records to ascertain when it actually was? They list the group as one of the original groups from 1954, but also state that this is only the heritage and not the original group, I think the Barbel Catchers have a similar heritage from the same period and they of course are not the original group.
The Tenchfishers have a heritage going back to 1954 and are in fact one of the oldest single species groups. Anglers such as the late member Len Head put specimen tench fishing on the map with his great Bures Lake captures. Today the group still pursues specimen fish but the traditionalist and the pleasure angler, who have a sustained interest in tench fishing are just as welcome.
heres a piece from the Barbel catchers website showing that the new group formed as late as 1977
On Sunday 27 March 1977, approximately forty like-minded anglers gathered in the lodge at Packington trout reservoir near Coventry. Their collective aim was the formation of a national barbel group to be known as the Barbel Catchers. The club was the brainchild of two keen barbel men, Stuart Hamilton and Dave Thompson, though as their plans progressed that afternoon they could never have foreseen that twenty-seven years later the BCC would still be going strong. Nor could they have predicted the club?s ongoing success as pioneers in the barbel angling world; since the club?s formation the BCC has been at the forefront of virtually every breakthrough that barbel angling has witnessed.
Its nice to see the spirit of these groups still survive, the present Perchfishers have a similar heritage
The Tenchfishers have a heritage going back to 1954 and are in fact one of the oldest single species groups. Anglers such as the late member Len Head put specimen tench fishing on the map with his great Bures Lake captures. Today the group still pursues specimen fish but the traditionalist and the pleasure angler, who have a sustained interest in tench fishing are just as welcome.
heres a piece from the Barbel catchers website showing that the new group formed as late as 1977
On Sunday 27 March 1977, approximately forty like-minded anglers gathered in the lodge at Packington trout reservoir near Coventry. Their collective aim was the formation of a national barbel group to be known as the Barbel Catchers. The club was the brainchild of two keen barbel men, Stuart Hamilton and Dave Thompson, though as their plans progressed that afternoon they could never have foreseen that twenty-seven years later the BCC would still be going strong. Nor could they have predicted the club?s ongoing success as pioneers in the barbel angling world; since the club?s formation the BCC has been at the forefront of virtually every breakthrough that barbel angling has witnessed.
Its nice to see the spirit of these groups still survive, the present Perchfishers have a similar heritage
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Lee Fletcher 1
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Dear Goose,
Nice to see you back on the boards again matey. Well, the boards I look into.
Where you been? Off photographing in some war torn country?
Oops, off topic. I couldn't care less if these initials clash. When one looks on the tinternet theres loads of organisations many of them global that use the same initials.
"non-existant universities who met in telephone boxes"
Priceless.
Regards,
Lee.
Nice to see you back on the boards again matey. Well, the boards I look into.
Where you been? Off photographing in some war torn country?
Oops, off topic. I couldn't care less if these initials clash. When one looks on the tinternet theres loads of organisations many of them global that use the same initials.
"non-existant universities who met in telephone boxes"
Priceless.
Regards,
Lee.