Gone but not forgotten baits and stuff, (Sillybait)

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I was just boring my long suffering lady with more fish talk and was reminiscing on the first time I fished a commercial. I reckon it was Cudmore's Milo. I only fished naturals like Hollingworth Lake, Rochdale Walton's club waters, numerous big reservoirs and the odd canal session. At the time I hadn't started my Ribble obsession and had only ever dabbled with a float on the odd local river. I was most excited when my mate described the red letter day full of barbel, chub and carp at the time I had never even seen a barbel I don't think! So when he picked me up at 4:45am ready to make first in the queue for 7 or 7:30 opening time. I couldn't believe he insisted on getting there first, 60 mile away too! Anyway the sight of grown men literally running to their pegs like German tourists in Benidorm putting towels on the poolside sunbeds, except with seatboxes and chairs proved what he had said " I'll get the tickets and pellets, you take my chair and your seatbox and grab those two pegs there" he said pointing out the alleged flyers as he drove through the gates, first in the line!! This brings me to the thread title.
Sillybait. What a belting bait that was! I was assured it was the dogs' doodahs on Milo and would really impress me so with the lads all having been there before and apparently done "The Ton" using the now legendary all in one wonder bait I bought myself a couple of bags of the original blue and red packaged version. At a fiver a pop it was then a reassuringly expensive option compared to my usual, and almost exclusively used and trusted Sensas variety. The fact that it was both a ground bait and a hook bait was certainly intriguing not to mention unique. The way the neat bait could be mixed to any consistency from a soft pole fished paste to a much tougher chucking type paste for feeder and in-between for shorter lobs with a waggle. Then of course the 50/50 mix using regular brown crumb making a matching feeder or ball-in bait meant it was a revelation to me. The "just add water" situation meant that my regular kitchen based experiments using pellets, eggs, various oils, base mixes and all sorts of usually disappointing ingredients were now a thing of the past!! Whaqtb a bait it was. Of course the proof being in the fishmeal flavoured pudding then ended up with me grinning from ear to ear as barbel, chub, carp, bream and tench fell to balls of the totally silly new discovery. No matter how big a ball of the stuff I tried on the hook they just hoovered it in! My Drennan Medium Feeder got a proper work-out. So my first experience of a commercial coincided with my first Stillwater barbel and best of all my first hilarious go of a fondly remembered and most definitely brilliantly aptly named bait ever!! It wasn't my first ton-up session but it was without doubt a totally SILLY day!!
Now that last sentence turns out to be an unexpected but perfect link to another possible extinct bait that was maybe my favourite ever, but that's for another post, in the meantime I'll have a look to see whether or not it is really true, as I suspect, that this other brilliant bait is indeed gone.

So what bait or item of tackle are you a former fan of? Is there something that you remember from your distant angling days and still can't believe it is no longer available from our tackle shops or even our supermarkets for that matter. (No hedgehog flavoured crisps or cans of Quattro please! Unless of course you used to add them to your ground bait or boilie mix!)
 
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These feeders !! That's another thing I have searched for without success. I don't know what they're called or who made them but I vaguely remember them being called Harrier feeders maybe by Daiwa obviously or possibly Drennan. They were / are brilliant for fishing liquidised bread / flake for chub. They sort of bulge when you cram it in and then explode the bread out soon as they hit the deck also they had a relatively small amount of lead on them comparative to the size meaning you could use a really big un and it virtually filled it in like you were balling it in! Awesome bait-up feeders but the other superb characteristic was the way the took of vertically on the retrieve, which was a wonder on the Ribble on some of the fast, rocky runs I used to use em on, which may be the reason for the name 'Harrier' after the vertical take-off jet that probably came around the same sort of time that these were in the shops. I would love to find some if anyone has a few they would part with.
 

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Following on from the above theme I wish that we could still use proper lead shot, it was so much better than this pretend rubbish. I also wish that the range of North Western rod blanks (and other makes) were still available. It was great to make individual custom made fishing rods for a specific use. I still make (wherever possible) my own tackle.
 

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Those Harrier feeders were made by Daiwa...
As for lead shot, I prefer the good forms of non-toxic shot that have come and gone, lots of rubbish mind, I never liked the way lead moved when used as locking shot on striking, it's OK when your moving shot down the line(to an extent) but when depths can be so critical having to re-set to markers after every bite or two isn't for me, lol.
 

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Redicat catapults, Drennan carbon chub hooks, Drennan Super specialist line(for my barbel hooklengths), Drennan packs of reversed peacock wagglers (7 in a pack from 2BB to around 3AA)...
 

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Mystic rubber bloodworm and bread paste imitation, Newark Needle Floats given away with Angling Times, little pre-formed pots of dried grounbait that you were supposed to fill with maggots then attach to your line on a plastic holder. The Lesney bread press for making your bread flake stay on the hook.
 
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Following on from the above theme I wish that we could still use proper lead shot, it was so much better than this pretend rubbish. I also wish that the range of North Western rod blanks (and other makes) were still available. It was great to make individual custom made fishing rods for a specific use. I still make (wherever possible) my own tackle.
That is amazingly spooky!! Whilst I was writing the thread I was waiting for the first sealer coat to dry on the whipping of the last line guide and the new addition of a little hook keeper ring on the North Western 10ft bream / roach tip rod that my grandad made after visiting Lough Garadice in Ireland where he was due to return a few weeks later. Along with it he customised a matching pair of 13ft Shakey Alpha Carbon Match rods that are now long quite awesome super light yet lovely casting tip rods (now 14ft with the spliced in tips) all 3 are fantastic at their job, the Alphas being sublime bite hitters and fish players but the N.W. with three custom glass tips (0.5 ish, 0.75 ish and 1 - 1.25oz) stored in the butt has been my go to small roach upto big bream and chub ever since his passing about 20 years ago. I will post a pic of all 3 for you when its finished for nostalgia's sake
But hey!...how about that then?! I mean what are the chances of the first reply to the thread too, being about North Western!? It's a sign, maybe even a blessing as far as I'm concerned. PB roach imminent, surely. I can't wait to christen it now! As is probably clear I too love fettling rods and especially making floats and the odd feeder etc. I recently stripped and re-finished my cane Avon type rod too.
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I fished Hollingsworth Lake, a water behind the Yew Tree pub and a water up Trowes Lane as a kid. I mostly fished the canal though adjacent to Whip & Bourne but that was over 50 years ago. I only ever float fished with maggot or worm. I haven’t caught a decent perch since.
 

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I miss my Masterline JW Avon/Quiver from way back. Did everything for me back then. Long gone unfortunately.
 

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I was just boring my long suffering lady with more fish talk and was reminiscing on the first time I fished a commercial. I reckon it was Cudmore's Milo.

I was another early visitor (in both senses) to Milo. I was living in Manchester and was advised to go by a famous Bolton angler in his shop. He said it's out of this world - he'd been 3 times, caught more than 20lb each time and never even framed! The weights seem quaint by today's standards but his comment reflected what even England anglers were used to seeing on the local canals and stills. I bet you ran to the pegs at the thin end opposite the island? I never fish places like that now, but they were an exciting new thing back then. After a time or two on Milo, where you'd never get lonely, I started fishing on the lake at the bottom, Avoca, which had tench and was often ignored.

Things long gone I'd buy again: Sundridge Force line in 1.5lb. Racine Tortue line. Drennan Swinger and Tench Perfection floats, and Drennan Whip Wagglers. River King catapults. Wide rod rest heads for float fishing. Top end Shimano and Daiwa gear from the 90's. Obsolete bait? I used to find a lot of uses for squatts.
 

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Agatha groundbaits (French, 1980/81). I bet no-one remembers or recognises them
 

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Redicat catapults, Drennan carbon chub hooks, Drennan Super specialist line(for my barbel hooklengths), Drennan packs of reversed peacock wagglers (7 in a pack from 2BB to around 3AA)...
I think I got my first spool of Super specialist on the front of a magazine
 

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Agatha groundbaits (French, 1980/81). I bet no-one remembers or recognises them

Doesn't ring a bell. I do remember a yellow groundbait, Z72. Texture of powder, mixed up sticky and sloppy it stuck your squatts together when after bream on canal wides.
 

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Never heard of em Richard.....
Z72 groundbait, great for gudgeon...
 

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I miss my Masterline JW Avon/Quiver from way back. Did everything for me back then. Long gone unfortunately.

I still have two of these older 11ft John Wilson Avon/Quivers rods; although I had to replace the Quivertip one of them with a ‘donkey tip’ when it broke so it has a slightly lighter quiver on one of them.

I still very occasionally use them if I’m fishing for Chub on a particularly overgrown section of my local stream and don’t want to chance damaging one of my more modern rods on overhanging branches as the Original J.W. Rods can take quite a lot of abuse.

I think I bought mine in 1979 and Both of mine have full cork handles; My son bought his J.W. Avon/Quivers around the same time from the same place but his had full Duplon handles so there was a choice of handles then.

Keith
 

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I used to make most of my own rods back in the mid 70s and I remember making two Jim Gibbinson Clooper Carp rods from kits I bought from Goings Bros of Southend; and Instead of the abrieviated cork handles which came with the kits I fitted them with full length cork handles which I much preferred. I used these rods for anything large including Carp, Pike and even used them from the Plymouth Sound Breakwater when our ships team were in a Royal Naval National Championship Match when I landed a few Wrass and a couple of nice Mullet on one of them.

Unfortunately I no longer have these rods; but I have lots of good memories of them.

Keith
 
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I used to make most of my own rods back in the mid 70s and I remember making two Jim Gibbinson Clooper Carp rods from kits I bought from Goings Bros of Southend; and Instead of the abrieviated cork handles which came with the kits I fitted them with full length cork handles which I much preferred. I used these rods for anything large including Carp, Pike and even used them from the Plymouth Sound Breakwater when our ships team were in a Royal Naval National Championship Match when I landed a few Wrass and a couple of nice Mullet on one of them.

Unfortunately I no longer have these rods; but I have lots of good memories of them.

Keith
Keith I remember making a pair of JG Clopper Carp rods up for somebody at work, were they a light red wine colour? I have a feeling the blanks were made by Conoflex, They were lovely rods when made up.
 

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@RMNDIL Is there a current Drennan alternative to the old Drennan Specimen Plus Line?
Hugh Gough rated it in his Coarse Fishing in Ireland book.
TIA
John
 
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