I'm really getting tired..................

[dezza]

That I'm not doubting.

Walker never did believe that his carp weighed 44 lbs.

 

[Philip]

So you see the problem with Hessian sacks then !

...Mind you, to be fair to Walker and other anglers of that era, without the access to modern materials and equipment they did pretty well to find solutions such as potatoe sacks to put Carp into for short periods of time. Although far from ideal its still allot better than letting it flap about on the bank while scales, camera and whatever else is sorted out.

Modern anglers have so much put on a plate for them now in terms of access to equipment.

 

[Graham Marsden]

By this I mean good mixed fisheries and not muddy holes in the ground, stocked full of bland "Pasties"

I suppose you have to have fished for all species, including 'bland pasties' in 'muddy holes', match fished, sea fished and fly fished in order to appreciate and fully understand another angler's preferences, otherwise it leads to disparaging remarks, such as those common generalisations about carp anglers and 'pastie anglers' by those who have rarely or never carp or 'pastie' fished.:wh

 

[dezza]

So you see the problem with Hessian sacks then !

...Mind you, to be fair to Walker and other anglers of that era, without the access to modern materials and equipment they did pretty well to find solutions such as potatoe sacks to put Carp into for short periods of time. Although far from ideal its still allot better than letting it flap about on the bank while scales, camera and whatever else is sorted out.

Modern anglers have so much put on a plate for them now in terms of access to equipment.

Good post Philip. The young anglers of today cannot concieve what angling was like 60 years ago. It was quite normal, if you could afford it of course, to have a big fish stuffed and put into a glass case. That's why many of the carp angling pioneers of the 40s and 50s killed the fish they caught. It was nothing to do with preventing others catching the fish as some younger people think.

**** Walker was in fact a pioneer of angling photography. In 1952 he wrote:

"I see no reason why anyone should want to kill a fish, unless it is to be set up." He goes on: "If your carp fishing is as successful as I hope it will be, a photographic record of the notable fish you catch will be preferable to their stuffed skins."

He was one of the first to produce double page spread photo features of actuality angling sessions. This he did regularly for Angling Times.

 

[cg74]

Ron,
you are a total wind up merchant. One minute decrying some modern practices, the next, name dropping mates that either started such things (Barrie Rickards/**** Walker in this thread) or embrace the modern variations themselves (Lee Swords, who, and I concede that I may have the wrong idea here, is exactly who comes to mind when I hear the term "carbelling"). How do you manage it without trying yourself in knots? A lot of the time you come over as a bit of a traditionalist (I believe that someone accused you of this recently). Further reading shows that it isn't the case and you've said as much yourself

Strikes me that you are quite happy with modern innovation, especially if one of your many friends was even vaguely involved. As soon as it becomes mainstream you seem to rail against it. Because of this I simply don't see you as having a consistent view point. It seems to shift depending on who you'd like to wind up at any given time.

Seems a fair appraisal. You could've added; he never answers uncomfortable questions too.

 

[agamemnon]

well i can remember when fox came onto the market and it seemed to me that the instant carp angler also came on the scene around the same time. we have instyant coffee just add water and now we have instant carp angler just add fox.
i dont have any problems with 99% of anglers but the 1% can be a nightmare. small day ticket (carp) lakes seem full of people with 3lbs rods fishing for 8lbs carp. these people i think are just missguided or missled when they buy tackle.
the biggest problem i have is with the carp snobs. about 9 years ago i was fishings the syndicate waters at linear with a friend and we had a guest ticket for another friend who loves carp fishing but hardly ever got the chance to fish big waters. during our first night on the lake i had a 23lbs common my syndicate friend had a 15lbs carp and a 9lbs tench (new pb) our friend had a 12lbs carp, this 12lbs carp was the first carp my friend had ever caught during a night session and he was over the moon.
as we was sorting breakfast out a well known carp journo came round to the swim for a chat, he congratulated me on my carp then with total scorn belittled both my friends catches, the tench should have been removed from the water as why the hell do we want to get woken up to a tench and the 12lbs carp was a nuisance fish that shouldnt have been stocked???
i asked him if he was some sort of ****
now this journalist is well known and respected yet he took it upon himself to belittle 2 nice fish and put a major downer on the rest of our session. its a sad fact but i am coming accross more and more anglers like this. i have people walk up and chat at linear then they notice im after pike and they walk away shaking their head wondering why i am after pike in a carp fishery.

 

[chav professor]

Well, as the resident "Chav" - I personally think angling is big and diverse enough for everyone to fined a niche and their own form of enjoyment.

The problem with carp anglers is that every one knows they are only happy bivvied up behind a matching set of 5lb test curve rods waiting for fish to literally hang themselves.... and as for anything that comes close to 'thinking' about a problem, they have to wait for Danny Fairbrass to come up with the solutions..... or watch another episode of the Korda under water videos and become befuddled......

 

[noknot]

That's exactly why I started this thread!mg:

 

[BarryC]

Fishing for pike in a carp fishery? Try fishing for bream.

 

[peter crabtree]

I suppose you have to have fished for all species, including 'bland pasties' in 'muddy holes', match fished, sea fished and fly fished in order to appreciate and fully understand another angler's preferences, otherwise it leads to disparaging remarks, such as those common generalisations about carp anglers and 'pastie anglers' by those who have rarely or never carp or 'pastie' fished.:wh

best post so far... spot on.

 

[richiekelly]

Well, as the resident "Chav" - I personally think angling is big and diverse enough for everyone to fined a niche and their own form of enjoyment.

The problem with carp anglers is that every one knows they are only happy bivvied up behind a matching set of 5lb test curve rods waiting for fish to literally hang themselves.... and as for anything that comes close to 'thinking' about a problem, they have to wait for Danny Fairbrass to come up with the solutions..... or watch another episode of the Korda under water videos and become befuddled......

no bites from your scattering of free offerings yet prof ?

 

[rains]

of the constant slagging off of Carp anglers on FM! Why is this, and I am not talking about the "Chav" eliment here, as that has and always will be there in any branch of angling! How many of you actualy fish on waters that Carp anglers also fish? By this I mean good mixed fisheries and not muddy holes in the ground, stocked full of bland "Pasties" but proper mature pits and lakes which also contain good Perch, Tench, Bream and so on.
So what's the beef with Carp anglers? I started as a general angler catching many species before I even considered trying to catch a Carp, for all I knew they were a myth, and not stocked everywhere as they are today! But after seeing a 12lbs Monster landed I knew I had to catch one! And after a lot of reading (no forums back then) and a few months latter I landed my first ever Carp, a Mirror of 17lbs from a very difficult, large Kent pit, and I have not looked back!

So come on Guy's what is it that you hate about Carp anglers???

The only problem i have with carpers i have is there greed with on average 3 to 6 rods out now on a small lake it takes the **** and take up space from other fisherman like me alot of space but other then that i do not care

 

[sam vimes]

The only problem i have with carpers i have is there greed with on average 3 to 6 rods out now on a small lake it takes the **** and take up space from other fisherman like me alot of space but other then that i do not care

Whoa there, massive generalisation. If I'm carping then I never have more than two carp rods out, I only own two. That's the case whether I'm fishing a packed two acre water or a deserted massive pit. If the water was so small or so busy as to make two rods unreasonable then I wouldn't be fishing there anyway. Inconsiderate anglers come from all disciplines. Stop applying unthinking stereotypes.

 

[904_cannon]

It's the cr&p people who are anglers I cant stand.

 

[colin the cod]

Some Carp Anglers are Darn Right Irresponsible, which in turn leaves Carp Angling as a whole labelled with these tags. The same applies to all walks of Angling, there is always some who would ruin it for others.[/QUOTE]

SOME barbel anglers are irresponsible lost count of the times ive seen barbel released only to go past me belly up but they dnt get the stick carpers

---------- Post added at 13:42 ---------- Previous post was at 13:39 ----------

Walker's record was caught in 1952 and there certainly were no carp sacks or any other devices around for retaining a big fish alive in those days, 59 years ago if my arithmetic is correct.

So what's wrong with a large hessian sack?

As regards a detailed drawing of a rod pod, in this case for one rod only, turn to page 252 of your copy of: "A History of Carp Fishing Revisited" by Kevin Clifford.

But I've mentioned this not a few days ago.

hessian sack lets bring back the knotted keepnet and the pike gaff i guess you dont carp fish

---------- Post added at 13:49 ---------- Previous post was at 13:42 ----------

Well, as the resident "Chav" - I personally think angling is big and diverse enough for everyone to fined a niche and their own form of enjoyment.

The problem with carp anglers is that every one knows they are only happy bivvied up behind a matching set of 5lb test curve rods waiting for fish to literally hang themselves.... and as for anything that comes close to 'thinking' about a problem, they have to wait for Danny Fairbrass to come up with the solutions..... or watch another episode of the Korda under water videos and become befuddled......

not all carpers are like this i caught my biggest carp 40.02 on 2lb test rods and as for them korda videos do i remember some river experts doing the same with barbel. good anglers are good anglers and are capable of thinking about problems that there faced with it does not matter what species they go for

 

[uscarper]

the best part of my carp fishing is no one else does it here, worst part people think i'm crazy. i can live with thattry catching a 15lb river carp on a 6ft med.lt bass rod with a small shimano bass reel. not everyone uses heavyweight catfish tackle

 

[Tee-Cee]

Well I'm a carp angler (of sorts) and I only ever fish one rod at a time, I don't own a bivvie,3lb test curve rod or any of the other paraphernalia normally associated with this branch of the sport. I cannot say I catch huge carp (simply because I don't fish waters where they roam-cannot afford it!) but I do target them in my local water and I fish just as intently (believe me!) as a chap who chooses to approach his fishing in a different way. My 80 year old chum who sits behind his little rod week in, week out (also fishing for carp) thinks I'M a real carper and always chuckles when he sees me creeping around the lake looking for fish to cast to......"You'll fall in one of these times, climbing trees at your age"!!
(Actually he did suprise me this week when he asked what a zig-rig does-sad thing is I couldn't answer him!!)

I suppose it depend on how one defines a carp angler but it seem daft to me to label someone thus just because he has lots of rods and chooses to sit out all night.....If thats what he wants to do with his time then whats the problem?

I have come across those who barely mumble a word when asked "had much", and I have thought miserable s*d when walking away from them, BUT I have to admire his dedication to what he wants to achieve in his sport-not for me I'm afraid but whoever said 'my way' is the only way??

Isn't it the problem these days; Too many people wanting to denegrate others simply because they CHOOSE to do things in a different way................

Next week I shall fish for chub with a greased line and a bushy fly (using the same rod as I do for carp fishing!) and I just know another chap (we talk ocassionally) will be upstream from me with his top-of-the-range matching 12' quivertip rods trying to do the same. Entirely different approach and hopefully we shall both catch fish but should it turn out he does very well I shall get my own 10' quiver tip rod the following week and try his way...

Please, lets try to appreciate the approach of others.........................................(and maybe learn from them???)

 

[chav professor]

Mmmmmm - angling is big and diverse enough for every one to find a niche and their own form of enjoyment....

I don't know why some branches of the sport are more 'touchy' than others though. fishing has undergone an evolution - do we not look to each others experiences for inspiration to solve a problem?

I know I go to the carp section for bits for Chubbing and other specialist requirements......
I know I use bite alarms make night fishing for eels more enjoyable......
I know I use scaled down bolt rig tactics which have accounted for bream to 11lb6oz (a good fish for about 8 years ago).
I know I spent 4 years carp fishing with 3 rods.....

If you mention freelining, float fishing, cane rods, you like seeing a float dip - whatever - you are a 'purist' or a 'traditionalist' - It seems that forums are full of Forum police looking to expose bigotry and intollerance that does not really exists - e.g. the concept of the Barbel Police - a complete fiction, an internet forum creation to pigeon hole someone and have a rant......

Its just as well there are are not 3.5 million (vastly over estimated) licence holders all trying to do the same thing as you or I.........

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not all carpers are like this i caught my biggest carp 40.02 on 2lb test rods and as for them korda videos do i remember some river experts doing the same with barbel. good anglers are good anglers and are capable of thinking about problems that there faced with it does not matter what species they go for

In the real world I like to to give people the benefit of the doubt that they are not imbeciles and are happy to carry on with their own buisness. Anglers fish for different reasons and who am I to judge....... it was a banter......

If you remember the Korda videos that Korda got banned? probably produced by a carp angler taking a lighter look at the world of carping..... It all got a bit embarrasing when Korda took it so seriously.

 

[Bob Hornegold]

Strange init !!

I have camped out for many many nights, fishing for Eels, Tench, Roach, Chub, Bream and Zander !!

I never get much comment about doing over nighters for those species with Multible rods.

But on this site the first mention of Carp and it's as if a dirty word has been uttered..

Could it be that many of the poster here have never been what I would call call serious Specimen Fishing !!

Where fishing nights is an advantage ?

Here we go I know I will get " But I have caught "" in daylight.

Well so have I and I have also caught at night ?

Bob

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[sam vimes]

Mmmmmm - angling is big and diverse enough for every one to find a niche and their own form of enjoyment....

I don't know why some branches of the sport are more 'touchy' than others though. fishing has undergone an evolution - do we not look to each others experiences for inspiration to solve a problem?

I suspect that anyone that is pigeon holed and branded as irresponsible or inconsiderate by someone bandying stereotypes around may have reason to get a little touchy. I can honestly say that I'm not any particular type of angler. You may see me doing all sorts of different styles. Accuse me of being irresponsible or inconsiderate in any one of them, then don't be surprised if I don't react particularly well.

It seems that forums are full of Forum police looking to expose bigotry and intollerance that does not really exists - e.g. the concept of the Barbel Police - a complete fiction, an internet forum creation to pigeon hole someone and have a rant.

Ahh, forum police are real but species police aren't? I've seen this idea that species police don't exist before. Mr Bonney agreed with you but then got all confused on another thread and suggested that they were real after all. His idea being that anyone suggesting that self appointed species police exist had in mind some organized group of people i.e. a society. That's certainly not what I mean and have encountered. They may or may not be group members but they don't act with any particular authority other than their own smug idea of what's right. I can only assume that you fish in reasonably out of the way places so have never had the misfortune to meet these reprehensible, pompous, "you don't want to do it like that", bigots that certainly do exist in real life as well as on forums. I can do the same if I'm careful about where I go.

In the real world I like to to give people the benefit of the doubt that they are not imbeciles and are happy to carry on with their own buisness. Anglers fish for different reasons and who am I to judge....... it was a banter......
If you remember the Korda videos that Korda got banned? probably produced by a carp angler taking a lighter look at the world of carping..... It all got a bit embarrasing when Korda took it so seriously.

I'm glad to hear that you give folks the benefit of the doubt. Shame that many others don't. As for the videos, I saw them, they were funny. However, the bottom line was that one of them was damned close to the bone. I wonder how many people would be able to laugh off being cast as a child molester? I thought it was damned funny but I'm pleased that I'll never be in the same position for people to poke such "fun" at.