Not something to brag about...

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I have just heard of a club water who have gained a new water and are informing members; 'as an added bonus contains chub'!

It'll never happen, but if it was made illegal to stock Chub and Barbel in stillwater, would it encourage a few to fish rivers who might not otherwise?
 

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To my mind both Chub and Barbel belong in the river, and nowhere else.

There are plenty of both species in my local rivers and to be honest I really try to avoid still waters, including commercials, where either, but particularly Barbel are stocked.

So, personally, I would agree with the OP's thread title . . . . . it is most certainly not something to brag about
 

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As young kid I used t fish a local water where the chub thrived, it was an old quarry with a very small inlet and a small stream running out. It must have been spring fed also as the outlet was twice the size of the inlet. The chub must have spawned successfully also as there was an abundance of year classes ranging from very small upwards. Those chubwhere the hardest fish in the water to catch and certainly harder to catch than river fish. I know of a few other waters (that one is long gone used as a land fill site) containing them where they seem to be doing well also so I don't think it's such a bad thing.
 

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If what I read a few weeks back on a survey is anything to go by; upwards of 90% reckon its okay to stock these species in commercial stillwater, so you not alone in what you say.

I personally think its cruel. Perhaps those chub you speak of have done well due to the flow of water on their gills... hope so thanks for your comment.
 

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I much prefer to catch chub in rivers of that there is no question. But if your quest is to catch an outsized fish, 7lb and above, then a stillwater is the place to seek them as they do grow much bigger in the confines of a stillwater. And by stillwaters I don’t mean commercials, I’m referring to lakes and gravel pits. These generally being found on the floodplains of rivers where the floods have exchanged fish stocks from one to the other, or have been purposely stocked in them where they are not on the floodplain.
More years than I care to remember now there was a gravel pit on the Trent called Winthorpe Lake just outside the village of Holme that contained some huge, to us as teenager match anglers, chub. Far bigger than anything we’d seen caught in the Trent at that time, and in reality they would have been fish of 5+lb. If the match fishing on the river was slow to nonexistent we’d nip across the field and have a go to see whether we could catch one of these leviathans that swam about in the crystal clear water of the lake. We never did, they were so cute and adept at picking ever free offering off and leaving the hookbait alone it was unreal.

An observation the late great Peter Stone made in his book on Big Chub in his quest to take a fish over 7 lb (7. 04) from the Oxford pits he fished at the time for them. Much of Peter’s success with big chub, including his PB, came on deadbaits in those pits. Something we never thought about or ever used on the dabbles on Winthorpe Lake. If only Peter had wrote that book 10 years before he did, we might just have nailed one of those infuriating fish we saw taking all the free offerings.

What is truism regarding big chub in totally enclosed waters as above is they grow very big indeed, but rarely have a continuity of stock, dying out when they reach old age, to be no more, unless a new stocking is put in.
 
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More years than I care to remember now there was a gravel pit on the Trent called Winthorpe Lake just outside the village of Holme that contained some huge, to us as teenager match anglers, chub.
It's still very typical of many of the Trent valley gravel pits Phil and I'm sure many other rivers where they sit in the floodplain, Winthorpe being practically down the road from Walter Bower's lakes which were also stuffed with big chub especially the middle lake.

Hoveringham was also very prolific if you could find 'em in the vast acreage of water.
 

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I'm sure it is Bink, but does anybody fish for them these days in this carp obsessed world?
 

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I guess it doesn't help when experts predict that the next record Chub will come from a still water, that is just the kind of arguement needed to justify their presence, but regarding Barbel I think its a backward step for that fish, I've seen them come out of canals and some smaller brooks but the enviroment to be found does give for a better use of their best natural features.

I say its not good for Barbel to remain in still water any longer than is neccessary, say to keep them there strictly for EA type farming exercises/stocking (Furnacemill etc) and to be put in Rivers where they have proven to self sustain a population previously, that is one thing, but they are naturally designed for faster water so why are they not raised in rivers from the off anyway?
 
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A small band of anglers used to fish Bowers in the late eighties for chub which were put there by old Walter and a few other anglers.It was simple link ledgering with small strips of seafish- usually mackeral that was the chosen method.
They reached fair old weights, far bigger than than the ones in the river or so it seemed, the best one to my knowledge was a 6-2 fish taken from the middle lake.
Its now a pit surrounded by a modern housing estate and fishing is prohibited.
Phil, Winthorpe always had an outlet to the river that allowed fish of all kinds free access and egress except in low water conditions, much the same as Binghams near Winthorpe rack which maybe suggests that those big chub were also presant in the river at the same time but being much bigger and wary it would maybe have taken fishing "outside the box" similar to the way they were fished for at Bowers or as Stoney wrote of?.
 
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I dont see the problem.
Chub have been in still waters for years. Maybe not stocked, but from flooded rivers.
The fact they grow to huge sizes must show that they are happy in still waters.
 

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Not at all irregular to get gudgeon and dace in some stillwaters too. Are these mostly spring fed?
I've caught gudgeon in commercial ponds often enough, but they are washed out of colour and don't appeal to me. Never caught a stillwater barbel but wouldn't like to think they go a similar way.
 

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Whilst I don't have an issue with it, provided rivers aren't being denuded for them, I can understand the concerns when it comes to barbel in stillwaters.

However, I can't see any issue when it comes to chub. I know of stillwaters where they are present despite never knowingly having been stocked. I know of stillwaters where they attain impressive size. I also know of stillwaters where they are breeding profusely.
 

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From this article we have to assume that breeders do no what they are doing, these fish do not breed in Stillwater, I agree with this view, these fish are like salmon and will seek high oxygen areas of running water to spawn, and has anyone who has caught these guys in Stillwater and running will tell you, they aint the same animal.
 

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there is always going to be a difference of opinion on this issue, I always associated bream with stillwaters but there are plenty in rivers, if a fish species is unhappy in a water it wont thrive
 

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If a Stillwater is attached to a river and the traditional river fish move into the Stillwater and stay it can't be too bad or uncomfortable for them. I believe Lake Bala has Grayling living in it, definitely a traditional river fish.
 
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