Pea Dough for Roach & Other Fish

[Crystal Bend]

I came across this mentioned by a Ukrainian Angler in the comments of a recent IP Fishing YouTube video.
Seemingly it's very popular for Roach & other fish on the Dniper River in Kyiv.
It's definitely a new one to me that I'm interested in trying.
After watching the attached video on making it with Chickpeas, I'm sure it could be made with canned Garden Peas too.
It could be flavoured with the likes of Vanilla, Geranium Oil (Dr Mark Everard - Redfin Diaries), Cinnamon, Ground Anise & Ground Corriander to name a few.

 

[@Clive]

Chick peas have a lot of good nutritional values that are lacking in garden peas. White beans or soya would be a better substitute than peas, but I would use chick peas.

 

[nottskev]

I can imagine such a paste making a good bait, with options for flavours and size. You could, though, say nature got there first, as there is a member of the legume family that includes peas, beans and pulses that's highly nutritious, excellent for roach and ideally sized for loose feed and hookbait - tares. There's evidence they were eaten by humans, though I'll stick with chick peas myself.

 

[@Clive]

I think they still are eaten in the Midlands Kev. I seem to remember itsfishingnotcatching mentioning something about black pays.

 

[nottskev]

I think they still are eaten in the Midlands Kev. I seem to remember itsfishingnotcatching mentioning something about black pays.

Black? Must be cooking with ferrous sulphate tablets.

 

[mikench]

Black peas are not tares. They are a popular pea in the north particularly around Bonfire night. They have a number of other names such as maple peas, Carlin peas or pigeon peas. They are dried, black, uniformally round and the size of a garden pea. They made great ammo for a pea shooter when I was a kid. They are a good bait though when all else fails.

 

[@Clive]

Black? Must be cooking with ferrous sulphate tablets.

I've just looked back at the thread. It was pigeon peas, or gray pays that was referred to. My mistake.

 

[Philip]

Rod Hutchinson used to rave about Maple peas...hot from the pan I think the advice was ...Carp go bonkers for them.

Favouring chick peas was a sort of forerunner to the bolie boom..a sort of missing link that came between par boiled potatoes and bolies. As a kid I remember watching a guy Carp fishing at Horton Kirby with chick peas & get run after run one afternoon, one went 26lb from memory it was a huge fish for the time.

 

[Alan Whitty]

Initially I was very interested, but then I think back to when I used to catch cracking roach on the Ouse on cheese, small pea sized bits on a 16 hook, to decent sized pieces on a 10, nowadays you rarely get a fish on it, yet baits like sweetcorn work well in summer, when in days of yore you only got odd chub on it...
Another distant memory was of fishing the Ouse at Bedford in winter and putting odd ball of **** Walkers 'pomenteg' groundbait(a horrible stodgy mix) in with a few maggot in the middle, I caught maybe 8-10 roach during daylight hours, then fished into darkness with a torch on the float, layed on, double and treble maggot and caught a few more when it went dead, so I thought maybe mould a piece of pomenteg over the hook around the size of a 5p piece, couldn't believe it when it went under, missed it, I had several other good bites and never touched a single one, they had to be decent roach as the bait didn't break down, tried it many times after that and never had a knock...

 

[@Clive]

Paste baits have been around a long time. The Chinese and Egyptians used it over 2,000 years ago and one of the manuscripts used to formulate the first English book on fishing in the late 15th century described a paste made from ground broad beans mixed with pummelled rabbit meat. A pinch of cat fur kneaded in helped keep it on the hook longer.

Early Germanic recipes for paste included human milk, fat & blood and ingredients that had been left to go rancid while buried in the ground.

 

[Alan Whitty]

Yes, and things like boilie paste and cheese paste are great baits(for their chosen species), but for lesser species pastes as a whole don't seem to be as effective as they were, they probably are on commercials where fish can be persuaded to eat anything, specially in summer.

 

[nottskev]

Yes, and things like boilie paste and cheese paste are great baits(for their chosen species), but for lesser species pastes as a whole don't seem to be as effective as they were, they probably are on commercials where fish can be persuaded to eat anything, specially in summer.

I'm trying to remember using paste and I can only think of a few types. Mid-90's a paste made from ground trout pellets and egg was quite popular. It pre-dated soft pellets etc and solved the hooking problem. Something similar was later used as a wrap on pellets for barbel and chub. A couple of years ago on a boilie water I used a paste made with ground hemp and eggs to catch carp over hemp and groats in the side. I've got some ancient cheese paste in the freezer waiting til I come across any chub round here. I remember when I was young, angling pensioners used more paste, like bread paste coloured with custard powder; maybe it reflected a less affluent, more diy outlook on bait in their day?

 

[Alan Whitty]

Trout pellet paste is a brilliant bait, I liked mixing it with water and made it wet, putting large lumps of it on a size 10 and surprisingly even though it was so soft it was difficult to cast you could leave it up to twenty minutes and still get a fish, so there was bait still present even if it was a little mound around the hook....

 

[@Clive]

My view is that in waters that have a lot of high nutrition value bait being introduced simple pastes will be less successful. You are competing against a superior product. Back in the maggots, casters and breadcrumb groundbait days a cheese based paste offered gourmet dining to cyprinid species.

If you look at what cereal baits have been championed ovef the years; groats, chick peas, maize / sweetcorn, various beans pulses and nuts, they all contain essential B vitamins that are hard to source in a fish's natural environment. Same with cheese. Sweetcorn on a virgin water works from the off, but put up against pellets and boiles it will be less effective unless used as in great quantities.