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Hi everyone,

After learning more about the sport I'm interested in upgrading my set up and would appreciate any input.

Current Setup
  • "Domino Spin" 6ft rod with a 10-20g casting weight
  • "Miami Jack" 3000 reel
  • Bog standard monofilament that came with the reel with a 6" wire trace on the end

What I'll be using it for / requirements
  • Spinning for perch, trout, pike, chub etc.
  • Crankbaits, jerkbaits, Mepps-style spinners, and swimbaits
  • Swims that vary from 5-20m wide with varying speeds of flow.
Based off this information, what rod/reel/line can you recommend? I'm happy to spend up to ~£150 for a setup that will last me a while. I've heard good things about the Daiwa ninja and Shimano Exage reels, and often seen braided lines with fluro leaders discussed, but I have no idea when it comes to rods in particular.

Thanks!
 

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Hi Dorsetspinner,

I can't comment on your current setup. But looking at your intended uses I can't think of many rods that would be happy switching from a crankbait/ jerkbait to a number 2 mepps.

Maybe use your current set up with 20lb braid and light lures and invest in a heavier casting weight rod and reel for the bigger lures.
Incidentally I use a daiwa ninja 4000 size with 20lb braid on one spool and 80lb on the other (I don't like losing expensive lures) and am happy with it despite all my other fixed spool reels being mid to high end shimano.

Remember braid is a lot thinner than mono for higher breaking strains and so will not compromise casting distance as much, certainly not over 25 metres.
I would also recommend looking into tying your own traces in wire or flouro depending on target species, you'll find it more satisfying
 
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Hi Dorsetspinner,

I can't comment on your current setup. But looking at your intended uses I can't think of many rods that would be happy switching from a crankbait/ jerkbait to a number 2 mepps.

Maybe use your current set up with 20lb braid and light lures and invest in a heavier casting weight rod and reel for the bigger lures.
Incidentally I use a daiwa ninja 4000 size with 20lb braid on one spool and 80lb on the other (I don't like losing expensive lures) and am happy with it despite all my other fixed spool reels being mid to high end shimano.

Remember braid is a lot thinner than mono for higher breaking strains and so will not compromise casting distance as much, certainly not over 25 metres.
I would also recommend looking into tying your own traces in wire or flouro depending on target species, you'll find it more satisfying
Thanks very much for your reply. Are there any heavier casting weird rods you'd be able to recommend from personal use?
 

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Hi Dorset,

I can't recommend any current rods as I have no experience of them, I use a couple of old Drennan spinflex rods which are no longer available.
Have a look at Ray Roberts posts in the HDYGO thread, I seem to remember him posting about some new rods at a decent cost.
 

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The most recent rod I posted about was a 8ft Darent Valley rod that has two tips, one a standard quiver tip and the other a tip for float fishing or spinning. So far I have only used the quiver tip section and can’t personally say how good it is for spinning. I have seen another guy who posts on here uses one and he seems quite impressed.

I started spinning/lure fishing during the Autumn. I found it difficult to source any decent gear anywhere during lockdown. I bought an Advanta lure rod from angling direct as it seemed just about the only one available locally and for about thirty quid I was impressed how well it performed for such a reasonable price.

I remembered a thread by a member who used to post on here named Derek Gibson. Derek had a huge reputation as a top pike angler and he started a thread on here, I think it was called;”Big pike are not hard to catch”, it takes some wading through, but as a source of information it is first class. I never met Derek in the flesh, but he was a genuinely nice approachable guy. Sadly he passed away a few years ago. Inspired by him I bought a Free Spirit jerk bait rod and a decent Daiwa Tatulla multiplier.

I had ordered a lightweight rod from Ali Express when I found it almost impossible to get any spinning gear from tackle shops in this country, however I couldn’t wait for it to arrive, hence the trip to Angling Direct. I ordered a brand called Sea Knight but had to wait there weeks for it to arrive from China. It cost around forty pounds and to be honest has been absolutely superb, in fact it is the best of the bunch for it’s intended purpose. I bought it for light lure work and I have had numerous perch and plenty of pike into double figures.
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This is the Sea Knight rod that I paired with a Shimano Katana 1000 size that I stumbled upon in my loft. I filled it it with some Savage gear braid in green. If I was to do so again I would choose a bright yellow coloured braid.
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This is my Free Spirit Jerk bait outfit. It casts very well, but it is a specialised bit of kit. The reel is loaded with fifty pound braid. Again I would have chosen a brighter braid if I knew how much easier it makes casting etc. You may think the line is overkill, but with the price of the larger lures it is better to straighten the hooks than lose the lure in a snag.

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This is the Advanta rod which I paired with a Shimano Twin-power reel that I already had. The reel is loaded with 20lb yellow braid which I like, as it stands out against the far bank and trees.

I have been pleased with all three rods and they have all met my expectations. What I would say is that there is no rod that will fit every situation. Jerk bait rods are a specialised bit of kit and really only for casting heavy lures or large spinner baits.

The most enjoyable method, for me at any rate, has been light lure fishing using the light rod from Ali Express, 10lb braid and jelly worms on Jig heads. I will probably wait until Autumn and then start again.


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Personally I have three set ups if you will.

A 5-20g Fox one paired with a Okuma 20 size, spoiled with 30lb braid. This is kinda my all rounder, perfect for summer Perching and Jacking with spinners, soft baits and cranks within the casting weight.

A 20-60g Savage Gear paired with a 4000 size Diawa and 60lb braid. This one is my pike aimed setup but doesn’t ruin Jacks. I can throw anything upto about 70g here, which are big lures at times and even work jerk baits on it.

A 1-7g Chinese rod with a Shakespeare 1000 size reel and spooled with 6lb mono. This is really for Perch, Trout and Chub. It would be overwhelmed by a modest pike but it’s able to delicately present slow moving soft plastics for winter perch or dance tiny spinners and cranks for spring Trout.

You really have to think about what you want to do and aim at that. Where are you in Dorset? I may be able to give you some in person help, I’m no expert but it made a world of difference when someone did that for me, if nothing else for my confidence.
 
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Thanks for such a detailed reply Ray, much appreciated!
The most recent rod I posted about was a 8ft Darent Valley rod that has two tips, one a standard quiver tip and the other a tip for float fishing or spinning. So far I have only used the quiver tip section and can’t personally say how good it is for spinning. I have seen another guy who posts on here uses one and he seems quite impressed.

I started spinning/lure fishing during the Autumn. I found it difficult to source any decent gear anywhere during lockdown. I bought an Advanta lure rod from angling direct as it seemed just about the only one available locally and for about thirty quid I was impressed how well it performed for such a reasonable price.

I remembered a thread by a member who used to post on here named Derek Gibson. Derek had a huge reputation as a top pike angler and he started a thread on here, I think it was called;”Big pike are not hard to catch”, it takes some wading through, but as a source of information it is first class. I never met Derek in the flesh, but he was a genuinely nice approachable guy. Sadly he passed away a few years ago. Inspired by him I bought a Free Spirit jerk bait rod and a decent Daiwa Tatulla multiplier.

I had ordered a lightweight rod from Ali Express when I found it almost impossible to get any spinning gear from tackle shops in this country, however I couldn’t wait for it to arrive, hence the trip to Angling Direct. I ordered a brand called Sea Knight but had to wait there weeks for it to arrive from China. It cost around forty pounds and to be honest has been absolutely superb, in fact it is the best of the bunch for it’s intended purpose. I bought it for light lure work and I have had numerous perch and plenty of pike into double figures.
07e9ac34eed4840e3a4a1982a9d0a1f3.jpg

287bd2a11d5c1752ba3f9fe934d4d016.jpg

This is the Sea Knight rod that I paired with a Shimano Katana 1000 size that I stumbled upon in my loft. I filled it it with some Savage gear braid in green. If I was to do so again I would choose a bright yellow coloured braid.
fc368c128275d6d5c98b01fbe9fda332.jpg

This is my Free Spirit Jerk bait outfit. It casts very well, but it is a specialised bit of kit. The reel is loaded with fifty pound braid. Again I would have chosen a brighter braid if I knew how much easier it makes casting etc. You may think the line is overkill, but with the price of the larger lures it is better to straighten the hooks than lose the lure in a snag.

070e48c0465c23652c76091c951c9557.jpg

This is the Advanta rod which I paired with a Shimano Twin-power reel that I already had. The reel is loaded with 20lb yellow braid which I like, as it stands out against the far bank and trees.

I have been pleased with all three rods and they have all met my expectations. What I would say is that there is no rod that will fit every situation. Jerk bait rods are a specialised bit of kit and really only for casting heavy lures or large spinner baits.

The most enjoyable method, for me at any rate, has been light lure fishing using the light rod from Ali Express, 10lb braid and jelly worms on Jig heads. I will probably wait until Autumn and then start again.


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Personally I have three set ups if you will.

A 5-20g Fox one paired with a Okuma 20 size, spoiled with 30lb braid. This is kinda my all rounder, perfect for summer Perching and Jacking with spinners, soft baits and cranks within the casting weight.

A 20-60g Savage Gear paired with a 4000 size Diawa and 60lb braid. This one is my pike aimed setup but doesn’t ruin Jacks. I can throw anything upto about 70g here, which are big lures at times and even work jerk baits on it.

A 1-7g Chinese rod with a Shakespeare 1000 size reel and spooled with 6lb mono. This is really for Perch, Trout and Chub. It would be overwhelmed by a modest pike but it’s able to delicately present slow moving soft plastics for winter perch or dance tiny spinners and cranks for spring Trout.

You really have to think about what you want to do and aim at that. Where are you in Dorset? I may be able to give you some in person help, I’m no expert but it made a world of difference when someone did that for me, if nothing else for my confidence.
Thanks a lot Steve. I think I may end up going down the two-rod set-up in the end - an ultralight for the more delicate trout work, and something similar to your Fox setup for larger species. I'm not quite at the stage where I'd be comfortable with a big pike just yet, so I'll hold off on casting out 70g lures for now! I've dropped you a message separately about some local fishing (y)
 

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I have an 8ft 5-20 gram daiwa spinning rod with a size 2000 reel loaded with 15lb braid, never had a snap off with this braid strength

I make my own traces using savage gear 'raw' traces and crimps as I feel this doesn't kink as much as other wires and therefore last longer, I like 'egg snap' style lure clips

had seabass to 5lb, mackerel, pike to 16lb, a few chub and it is light enough for light perch lure jigging on 3gram or 6gram jigheads
 
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I have an 8ft 5-20 gram daiwa spinning rod with a size 2000 reel loaded with 15lb braid, never had a snap off with this braid strength

I make my own traces using savage gear 'raw' traces and crimps as I feel this doesn't kink as much as other wires and therefore last longer, I like 'egg snap' style lure clips

had seabass to 5lb, mackerel, pike to 16lb, a few chub and it is light enough for light perch lure jigging on 3gram or 6gram jigheads
Thanks for sharing. How do you find the length of the rod when spinning on rivers? I've read 6-7ft is the sweet spot but I'm interested to hear your thoughts on an 8ft one.
 

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Thanks for sharing. How do you find the length of the rod when spinning on rivers? I've read 6-7ft is the sweet spot but I'm interested to hear your thoughts on an 8ft one.
honestly there isn't much difference, I guess it would be depending on how dense the foliage is around the river that would hinder your casting, the river I fish is a very small river but no trees or bushes only grassland so I feel quite free to cast an 8fter
 
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