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"And I am happy with a Mr. Crabtree day. It doesn't take a monster French carp to make me smile.

Am I missing something?"

Not in my book you're not Gary.

Thank you again for such a lovely article setting out your fishing year (starting on the absolute correct date) and making me jealous all over again at the mention of some of those rods.
(Aspindale did make some beauties, didn't they)

Try as I may, I've never managed yet to book any time at Redmire, but when I do, then I'll sit in that same swim and brew up as well, but if I ever get to fish it, then it will be with a pair of MkIV Carp rods.

Gary, thank you, and the next time you are anywhere near to Salisbury let me know in advance; lunch and the beer are on me.
 

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Nice one Gary, really enjoyed that.

You aint missing nothing mate, sounds like you've got it spot on....

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Ignore my signature, it's personal thing for me.....;)
 

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This might rock the apple cart a bit. I have a feeling I may get a right load of abuse, but anyway....

I'm actually slightly taken aback by the elitist nature of your article Gary. There's certainly an implication here that you get a massive buzz out of the equipment you use as you feel very pleased to describe the manufacturers which to the best of my knowledge are not the cheapest available... not that different to the carp boys with their their three rod set-ups that you seem to scorn?

There seems to be quite a lot of side-swiping in your article (implied rather than stated out right, but your obviously intelligent and I think you know what you're doing) at anyone who's not discovered the joys of the fishing you describe. Seems to me like you feel you're doing something more worthwhile? I'm not sure Kev and Jace really deserve this.

This is a side to the biggest problem that angling faces, it's lack of any kind of unity. Traditionalists run down modern specimen hunters, carp fishermen call anyone not dressed head to toe in camo a noddy, and as for matchmen ....etc, etc

I think I fish for all the same reasons as you (escape from stress, surroundings over results) and I defintitely enjoy the kind of sessions you've described... but all the banging on about the split cane this and the centre pin that come across as a little smug.

Like I said, I'm probably going to get slaughtered on here for having this opinion - please bear in mind that what I'm critiquing is the article, not you personally.
 

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Jim,

Having read your comments I had to go back and read Gary's article again as I wondered if we had read the same piece.

It seems to me that you read the piece either with some very preconcieved ideas or possibly while wearing either brown or possibly green tinted glasses?

Or both?

It seems you missed the main thrust of the article; that being that Gary gleans his enjoyment from the short (sometimes 'stolen') hours on his local streams, or planned in advance longer periods.

It didn't come across to me as being either a 'swipe' at anyone, and certainly not smug in any way whatsoever. Gary fishes with some lovely old split cane rods and centrepin reels, and it is a pleasure to read of his exploits using them.

As for your comments regarding 'the lack of angling unity' and the reasons that you gave; well, that is well wide of the mark.

Yes, there are a small faction that may well represent your comments, but in the main (and based on the 50 years I've been an angler) those bigotted comments have rarely been heard.

My sincere hope is that Gary will read your comments and not let them put him off of offering FM his well-written and truly interesting articles in the future.
 

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To be fair to Gary, he was a bit concerned that it might come over as having a pop at the modern carper but that was never his intention. I assured him it was not - it's just a comparison of the two fishing styles.
As Gary says, Kev and Jace are the backbone of angling clubs all over the country, we couldn't do without them!

Jim. Why not write a piece for us with the reverse viewpoint? It's just as valid!
 

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I have a subscription of a carp angling magazine and i read the articles very carefully. There are lots of articles out there that are being written as half an advertisement. And this is something, that i really hate about them, because it just takes all the fun out of a nice story, true, or not.

Maybe it was Garys´intention to write it in this obvious style to provoke this "crowd splitting" ?


Anyway, i went through the article again and here i quote the sentences in which specific brands are mentioned:

Gary Cullum said:
And I almost landed my first twenty pounder - a beautiful autumn coloured mirror on a trusty James Mk IV cane and near century old walnut fronted Milwards Zephyr centrepin. But that's a story for another day.

My weapon of choice will always be cane..split cane, whole cane, a combination of both, a 50 year old rod by Allcocks, Milwards, B James or Aspindale perhaps, or a modern cane by Barder, Brough or Cook.

There were subsequent outings to my fly fishing club, the Amwell Magna on the old River Lea near Hertford for a brownie, and a trip to the Test near the famous Houghton beats below Salisbury for more brown trout and rainbows on my little five weight Barder fly rod, made in honour (I bought that one second-hand) of the Storey family, Yorkshire river keepers, and the 150th anniversary of the Ryedale Angling Club.

To my delight I had a five four - and a six two - in the same summery session, the larger specimen coming to a freelined pellet up in the water on a Barder Barbus Maximus.

I've spotted a small shoal of half pound roach in a deeper glide of my local stream (about two feet max depth) so I'll be back with a Lucky Strike or Record Breaker, or maybe a Hardy Sheffield style lightweight light and lithe cane next weekend with half a pint of gentles.

If Gary had just written "my special rod" or something in that line, it would have been sufficient, i guess, so i tend to think he wrote it this way to clearly "show off" in that way as to provoke our reaction.

As i have said before, when i read an article, i am more interested in the weather and the condition of the water, fish behaviour of the time-span of the story/diary and method of fishing (short description of the setup is fine, no need to go into detail about that for me) than in the brand of the rod/reel, etc. (and what kind of car someone drives).

In fact, this is the reason why i will quit my subscription to the afore mentioned magazine. It´s getting too common to brag about the gear for half a page before getting down to the fishing part. Baits and underwater features would always be preferred by me.

For my part, i do modern carp fishing (though i didn´t spend one night at the pool last year), but i am also flytying and -fishing. But give me a calm day and a float rod and i am as happy as can be. I can enjoy almost every kind of fishing and i am always interested in new ways to fish, because that´s the salt in the soup about fishing for me.
 

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Tilman, I really hope that one day you will stumble across Gary fishing the way he does it. Its a pleasure to witness and a good lesson if you listen..
 

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Y'know, Geoff put that article up originally and he came round here yesterday to talk about various things, one of which was adopting a "house style" of presenting articles. One of the points later made by our technical man was to strip out all uneccessary and unwanted HTML so it would be quicker for you people with steam powered coal fired modems to load onto your 16 colour Amstrad screens.

Anyway, very late at night I took Geoff's, Gary's, article and reloaded the new way as recommended and reinserted all the pictures.

I read it along the way to see where the pictires should go for best effect and never once did it occur to me that Gary was being elitist or was boasting about rods he owned that were or could have been better than anyone else's. I just thought it was a good read and liked it very much and I know Geoff feels the same way.

I'm not criticising your critique chaps if that's how you feel, but it just shows how a person can write soemthing and 20 different people will draw 20 different interpretations of what is written.

Carry on, enjoy.

:) :) :)
 

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Ear Kev...

Thanks chaps, all of you, for taking the time and trouble to read and respond. And I am genuinely sorry if I have caused any offence. Editorial text is so black and white, as are emails and quite often the way in which something is written and mean’t can come over as something completely different; Geoff and others sum it up quite nicely when they say I am comparing two completely different styles of fishing, for indeed that was the purpose of the article. It was not to brag, to show off, nor to try to be elitist. It was to say, in ‘descriptive diary mode‘, for that is the style of my writing, that we all get our enjoyment from different methods and styles of fishing. I was merely putting words to pictures to talk about my kind of fishing. And in my kind or style of writing, I try to conjure up images. I take your points Tilman and Jim and I accept your viewpoints one hundred per cent. But if I was to say I took my special rod.. I have not conjured up any meaningful image for those who are interested in old traditional tackle or the style of fishing where a man wears an old wide brimmed hat and dozes under the boughs of the willow with a worm under a red topped quill. In terms of tackle use and choice..I am often at my club lake where young anglers are chuffed to bits to show me several thousand pounds worth of latest Harrison blanks, stainless steel big pit reels, the latest line from the research labs in USA, and a five star-rated bivvy full of comfort. And that‘s good, for it provides enjoyment for those who choose to spend an overnighter or a few days at water’s edge. It would never do if each and every one of us was the same... or indeed we smelt the same roses along the way. And it is good that my articles are bringing robust and differing views. Long may that continue. As for Unity - I am a huge proponent of Angling Unity and have served, and continue to serve, on several local, regional and industry-wide committees or consultatives, in public and quietly behind closed doors. I was also one of the first individuals to sign up to the new all-encompassing Angling Trust, and the two Colne Valley Clubs of which I am privileged to be chairman, one geared predominantly to carp fishing and one which offers a beautiful meandering stream, were also among the first clubs in membership of Angling Trust. I have long canvassed for there to be a single body representing our sport/hobby/pastime for it gives us greater strength in the corridors of power. And in unity lies strength. The guys and girls at Angling Trust, under the leadership of Mark Lloyd and Mike Heylin have the very future of fishing to protect and defend. The Trust has been battered and bruised. But it deserves our support. The support of anglers everywhere. Just twenty notes from all 1.2 (or is it 1.5?) million fisher boys and girls who currently hold a rod licence.
Long may we all see, think, act - and fish - differently.
Gary

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Thanks Wolfman Woody. Long may there be 20 or more interpretations. This has been a great example of each to their own. The good or bad news is that there are already several more Cullum ‘diary’ pieces written and submitted that may be considered for publication. I am sure some more of those will ‘split the ranks’ but I see that as positive, for no harm is mean’t. And, after all..this is a Forum for discussion and debate.
Gary
 

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I do understand your way of "setting the scene" and i can understand a lot about being in love with a special instrument. I am interested in tackle in a very practical way, maybe because i am a technical draftsman. And i do like my gear, sure enough.

And i do respect your way of writing, it only is not my cup of tea when i am reading.

And as a carp angler i was not offended in any way. I know we all have different views about our hobbies or even about the same targeted species. Some are fanatical, some take it easy.
Some are earning their money with it.

No offense meant and none taken !
 

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Ear Kev...

That‘s good to Ear and hear Tilman. It wouldn’t be right would if we we all sang from the same hymn sheet and I am delighted you had your say. I love carp fishing too, though I yearn for yesteryear, when carp fishing was mysterious, when every fish was a British fish, when Redmire was at its peak, when carp were deemed uncatchable. When Walker was around, Fred J, and more latterly Chris Yates. Call me an old romantic, though not in front of my wife! When baits were natural, though I am not saying that the modern era is wrong. And I am part of a club that thrives on carp fisherman, guys who hit the lake every Friday afternoon and stay perhaps until Sunday evening. They make my club the club it is, they fund every development. they keep the local tackle shops in business. All fabulous for our sport. And long may that continue.
Gary
 

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Nice piece Gary. I have traditionalist tendencies too but my cane rods come out only on special days and I completely understand that desire to [if you like] relive gentler times.That's what I think I'm trying to do on my occasional "vintage gear" days. I have been known to wear a shirt & tie too so there is clearly a bit of dressing up going on. It is getting harder and harder to re-create that though because there are an awful lot of Kev's out there.

I made the mistake of reading the posts before the article so I was kind of looking for where Jim was coming from...and I can see his point. I know you didn't mean it but I do think its there and I might not have noticed otherwise.

It doesn't really matter because angling is a broad church and there is room for everyone. I admire the way modern carp anglers approach their chosen specialism but I dont want to do that myself. I enjoy using a centrepin and sometimes a cane rod...but not all the time.... though I do get a buzz from doing so even when I know I'm probably making things harder for meself than they need be.

Good luck to you....I totally appreciate the bit about making the most of such fishing time as you have and I for one would rather be fishing than pushing Kev's barrow.
One thing I have noticed though. It continues to amaze me how many people stop to admire and ask about the cane rod/reel when I'm using it. Even Kev and his mates....and that's nice.

Skippy
 

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Many thanks for another nice and skilfully crafted article Gary. It seems to have provoked an interesting debate. I have to say that I sympathise a bit with Jim who was merely pointing out what was probably an inadvertent subtext. I confess when I was reading it I was thinking “Lucky you!” all these vintage rods and reels.
The FMers need to be careful though, this could just be a further development of the growing frequency of “product placement”! For all we know you could have a thriving business retailing replica Allcocks Lucky Strikes?:wh

As a fellow contributor I think you should be thrilled by the large “post-bag”, the best I ever got was when someone objected to my story (written in the first person present)appearing during the close season and he couldn’t be persuaded to not have the last word, every time someone explained it had happened in September two years ago he wouldn’t let it drop.

Looking forward to your next diary piece.

Andy
 

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Ear Kev...

Thanks Andy.. sadly I have no replica business in Lucky Strikes... though I wish I did. The LS in my view, which others may not share, and probably don’t, is a wonderful rod. It was designed and sold as a relatively cheap boy’s rod which is probably why i love it so much. Reminds me of my youth (though I did not own a LS back then). Product placement - nice comment and oh so true about much in life. I recall the pages of Angling Times and Angler’s Mail of yesteryear reporting the columns of well known, household name anglers. I will not use names for fear of an even greater postbag..but for several years the ‘Smith & Wesson’ 13ft, four piece Special ‘Ear Kevlar’ match rod was the best thing since sliced bread and unsurpassed by anything, said that’s company’s paid tackle tester and consultant... until he moved to ‘German Luger’, if indeed it is, or was, a German manufacturer, when its 13 ft three piece, delicate and light ‘Air Wafer’ was even better than sliced bread.
All good debate and I can’t wait until the editors consider for publication a piece I wrote last year about a mate of mine, a very good friend and a superb angler, who is so desperate to fish barechested all summer long to gain a fabulous suntan, that he had his torso tattoed in camo so he could still blend in with the bankside foliage while soaking up the rays. Given this week’s comments I will of course ensure that I balance this with a piece on my aging crinkly cane and marvellously able friends who don corduroy trousers and wear that wonderful 17th century Croatian neck piece - the cravat, when they amble to the riverbank, along with the deepest burgundy coloured waistcoat and a jolly decent titfer. All good fun, and that’s how it should be.
Gary
 

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First off, I've been trying to post again for a while, however I've been up to my ears in DIY (which is something I can't actually believe people have as a hobby!)

Gary, I'm not sure I really took offence - I tried to stress that my issue was with the style of the article and I've certainly no intention to cause offence either.

I think Geoff is right, I should try to write something that puts a slightly different view of fishing forward. I have an article in mind, something that will outline the challenges faced by an angler with a very young family... I've been meaning to do this for a little while but Geoff's prod is much needed.

I guess my issue with the article is still that there's an implication that the route you're taking (via your traditionalism) is on a higher plane of being than that of Jas (that's how most people who call themselves that spell it) and Kev.

However, I've re-read the article a couple of time since i posted and maybe I've got a bit of Ikea-madness from the DIY. Maybe if I got to go fishing a bit more often I'd be as chilled out as you and would't have the inverted-snob reaction....
 

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A lovely article, I thought; and I detected no animosity toward the mechanical, modern carping technician at all. My favourite cane is my Davenport & Fordham 'Farstrike' Avon....a beautiful thing to fish with!
 
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