Fish theft

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Some time back I think I read on here that if the police are notified of someone suspected of fish theft the caller has to use a certain quote that will ensure the police have to act.
Does anyone know what it might be???
 

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I think that whilst the vernacular might be different in different parts of the country the gist is " get off your a**** and get down to the canal / river/ pool and arrest the b****** nicking our fish" ;)
 

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I think that whilst the vernacular might be different in different parts of the country the gist is " get off your a**** and get down to the canal / river/ pool and arrest the b****** nicking our fish" ;)
-- and spoken in legalese?? ?
 

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I'm sure I read somewhere that it was a number you should quote.
 

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Quite possibly. By the time you had explained matters and accepted that you needed to go yourself, take pictures, make a citizens arrest but woe betide you if you hurt the little piscatoral philistines, complete forms f 365 you will have lost the will to live. The boys in blue where would we be without them.
 

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Here you go.
Reporting Fishery Crime
Welcome to the Fishery Watch guide to reporting Fishery Crime. The idea of this page is to give you an in sight into how to record intelligence, who to report what you see to in order to make sure that you are contacting the correct authority in order to obtain the best response and end result.

1. Keep Yourself Safe.
The first thing to remember is that your safety should be paramount at all times, no matter how upsetting you find what is going on in front of you. It is far better to observe and gather as much information as possible without putting yourself at risk. Please do not be tempted to be a hero. It could get very dangerous as poachers & fish thieves are very often tooled up with all manner of weapons, believe me. I have seen it all from small pocket knives to large machetes being pulled out, it is never worth the risk.

You also stand the chance of making the case more complicated for the authorities, the simpler you keep the overall picture of what has happened the better it will be for the authorities to work it out and deal with it effectively..

The most important thing for your safety is not to make it obvious to the offenders what you are doing, like for example do not be looking at the people and writing things down in front of them, simply get yourself out of sight and write things down as accurately as you can remember and prepare yourself to call the authorities.

2. Intelligence to Collect
The more information you can accurately give to the authorities, the better the chance of getting the response of a call out. Try to gather as much of the information listed below and accurately record it for when you make that call.

  1. Time – accurately record this from the time you first saw the offence being committed.
  2. Location - please record the exact location as accurately as possible, we would suggest you use the App What 3 Words that is available for both Android & Apple phones. It will give you your exact location within 3 meters to your location. Most police forces across the country are now using it. If you do not have the App then explain as accurately as you can the location and if you are in a multi lake complex then explain what lake you are at and is location within the fishery.
  3. What are they doing -you need to be clear about this when you ring as to what they are actually doing, it does not help if you call the authorities and say I think they maybe doing this or they maybe doing that, they need to know exactly what offence you are reporting.
  4. How Many – how many suspects, remember to get the number of suspects involved in the offence.
  5. What do they look like - Please get as good a description of the individuals involved like height, build, ages, moustaches or beards are always a good thing to spot. Colour of clothing, distinguishing hats or caps, it is also handy to note there footwear, you may find that one or two maybe wearing wellingtons or waders, also listen for an accent as this could be helpful, all of these things help the authorities with identification.
  6. Equipment – What equipment or items do they have with them to assist them with the crime you are reporting, like do they have any nets or anything else associated with the crime. In the unlikely event that you see any weaponry, please make the authorities aware of this when call the crime in.
  7. Vehicles – If it is apparent that there are any vehicles within the vicinity of or near the crime seen, please note the registrations, make, model and any distinguishing marks or damage any of the vehicle's they may have. It will aid with identification of the offenders.
3. Who to Call
This section will give you a guide as to which authority you should be ringing for what offences, it is important to get it right in order to get a quick response. It is advisable to always obtain a reference from the call handler of the hotline, please keep this reference safe in case you wish to follow up on the incident.

Environment Agency & Natural Resources Wales,
Environment Agency: 0800 80 70 60 (24/7)

Natural Resources Wales: 0300 065 3000 (24/7)

  1. Rod license offences.
  2. Water pollution.
  3. Fish disease.
  4. Interference with flood defences.
  5. Possible pollution hazards.
  6. Discoloured river/canal/sprin/stream or lake water.
  7. Dead Fish sighted.
  8. Anglers not fishing within the rules of there licence.
  9. Breaches of the Salmon & Freshwater Fisheries Act.
  10. Illegal fish breed stocking.
  11. Fish possibly being moved illegally.
  12. Illegal fishing methods being used.
  13. Fishing during the closed season.
Police
Please remember to have as accurate information on as much of the listed above in order to give the Police as much insight into what they are coming to. I cannot emphasise enough how much the use of What 3 Words would be to them in order for them to get to the incident as quickly and accurately as possible.

Please remember to call 101 for non serious matters and to pass on intelligence, it is perfectly correct for you to dial 999 if what you are reporting is a crime in progress. It is also advised that you get a crime number of the call handler, please note this down for future reference.

Please also state what signage is in place to warn offenders, clubs and fisheries should consider good signage as an absolute must.

  1. Acts of Fish Theft.
  2. Acts of Violence.
  3. Threatening words & behaviour
  4. Intimidation.
  5. Theft equipment from fisheries.
  6. Criminal Damage.
  7. Wildlife Crime.
  8. Fishing without permission is a Schedule 1 Theft Act 1968 offence.
  9. Point out that the Home Office Code for this offence is 116/11
Fishing without permission & fish theft are criminal offences, which the police are duty-bound to deal with. You may find that because police officers rarely deal with or perhaps have never dealt with offences of this kind, they are generally inexperienced in this part of the Theft Act 1968. So we find that we generally have to provide them with additional information to overcome this area of uncertainty, when we report incidents to the police.
 

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Here you go.
Reporting Fishery Crime
Welcome to the Fishery Watch guide to reporting Fishery Crime. The idea of this page is to give you an in sight into how to record intelligence, who to report what you see to in order to make sure that you are contacting the correct authority in order to obtain the best response and end result.

1. Keep Yourself Safe.
The first thing to remember is that your safety should be paramount at all times, no matter how upsetting you find what is going on in front of you. It is far better to observe and gather as much information as possible without putting yourself at risk. Please do not be tempted to be a hero. It could get very dangerous as poachers & fish thieves are very often tooled up with all manner of weapons, believe me. I have seen it all from small pocket knives to large machetes being pulled out, it is never worth the risk.

You also stand the chance of making the case more complicated for the authorities, the simpler you keep the overall picture of what has happened the better it will be for the authorities to work it out and deal with it effectively..

The most important thing for your safety is not to make it obvious to the offenders what you are doing, like for example do not be looking at the people and writing things down in front of them, simply get yourself out of sight and write things down as accurately as you can remember and prepare yourself to call the authorities.

2. Intelligence to Collect
The more information you can accurately give to the authorities, the better the chance of getting the response of a call out. Try to gather as much of the information listed below and accurately record it for when you make that call.

  1. Time – accurately record this from the time you first saw the offence being committed.
  2. Location - please record the exact location as accurately as possible, we would suggest you use the App What 3 Words that is available for both Android & Apple phones. It will give you your exact location within 3 meters to your location. Most police forces across the country are now using it. If you do not have the App then explain as accurately as you can the location and if you are in a multi lake complex then explain what lake you are at and is location within the fishery.
  3. What are they doing -you need to be clear about this when you ring as to what they are actually doing, it does not help if you call the authorities and say I think they maybe doing this or they maybe doing that, they need to know exactly what offence you are reporting.
  4. How Many – how many suspects, remember to get the number of suspects involved in the offence.
  5. What do they look like - Please get as good a description of the individuals involved like height, build, ages, moustaches or beards are always a good thing to spot. Colour of clothing, distinguishing hats or caps, it is also handy to note there footwear, you may find that one or two maybe wearing wellingtons or waders, also listen for an accent as this could be helpful, all of these things help the authorities with identification.
  6. Equipment – What equipment or items do they have with them to assist them with the crime you are reporting, like do they have any nets or anything else associated with the crime. In the unlikely event that you see any weaponry, please make the authorities aware of this when call the crime in.
  7. Vehicles – If it is apparent that there are any vehicles within the vicinity of or near the crime seen, please note the registrations, make, model and any distinguishing marks or damage any of the vehicle's they may have. It will aid with identification of the offenders.
3. Who to Call
This section will give you a guide as to which authority you should be ringing for what offences, it is important to get it right in order to get a quick response. It is advisable to always obtain a reference from the call handler of the hotline, please keep this reference safe in case you wish to follow up on the incident.

Environment Agency & Natural Resources Wales,
Environment Agency: 0800 80 70 60 (24/7)

Natural Resources Wales: 0300 065 3000 (24/7)

  1. Rod license offences.
  2. Water pollution.
  3. Fish disease.
  4. Interference with flood defences.
  5. Possible pollution hazards.
  6. Discoloured river/canal/sprin/stream or lake water.
  7. Dead Fish sighted.
  8. Anglers not fishing within the rules of there licence.
  9. Breaches of the Salmon & Freshwater Fisheries Act.
  10. Illegal fish breed stocking.
  11. Fish possibly being moved illegally.
  12. Illegal fishing methods being used.
  13. Fishing during the closed season.
Police
Please remember to have as accurate information on as much of the listed above in order to give the Police as much insight into what they are coming to. I cannot emphasise enough how much the use of What 3 Words would be to them in order for them to get to the incident as quickly and accurately as possible.

Please remember to call 101 for non serious matters and to pass on intelligence, it is perfectly correct for you to dial 999 if what you are reporting is a crime in progress. It is also advised that you get a crime number of the call handler, please note this down for future reference.

Please also state what signage is in place to warn offenders, clubs and fisheries should consider good signage as an absolute must.

  1. Acts of Fish Theft.
  2. Acts of Violence.
  3. Threatening words & behaviour
  4. Intimidation.
  5. Theft equipment from fisheries.
  6. Criminal Damage.
  7. Wildlife Crime.
  8. Fishing without permission is a Schedule 1 Theft Act 1968 offence.
  9. Point out that the Home Office Code for this offence is 116/11
Fishing without permission & fish theft are criminal offences, which the police are duty-bound to deal with. You may find that because police officers rarely deal with or perhaps have never dealt with offences of this kind, they are generally inexperienced in this part of the Theft Act 1968. So we find that we generally have to provide them with additional information to overcome this area of uncertainty, when we report incidents to the police.
Many thanks Seth- great reply! ??
 

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Bailiffs in a club of which i'm a member were told at a meeting with the ea and police, to phone 999. Forget other numbers quoted and use 999.
Phoneing the ea is a total waste of time, they have next to no staff. What staff they do have are coverring many square miles of the country and the chances they would be able to attend is virtually nill.
 

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Fishing without permission & fish theft are criminal offences, which the police are duty-bound to deal with

As are burglaries, car theft, common assault, computer hacking, not wearing a mask but they are not interested and might call only if you do the legwork.
 

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The fishery manager on the small river i've been fishing told me to ring 999 and tell them the offence being committed and where,I have also been told however that there are several high ranking inspectors in the club and the local station has been told to come running,if possible....
 

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When you look back many fish were moved around the country carp were always growing legs. I also moved fish to restock other waters and helped create some fisheries.
Richard Walker and other carp anglers were always moving carp to ponds.
How many of the barbel rivers would have no barbel if angler had stolen them and moved them, they didn't get there by magic.
What was seen as normal is now seen as fish theft.
 

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In general Steve your analogy is correct,however these days fish theft generally equates for food for the table,with Eastern Europeans and travellers being the main culprits,the former have been known in my experiences to take quite large quantities of fish(2 dustbin liners full of bream),plus large individual fish(12lb barbel,30lbs+ carp,big pike and perch),the damage of such theft/predation is obvious,especially when you realise these people are often selling their catches,so keep coming back for more...
 

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Hii...An individual may have the rights to take the fish, but he does not exercise rights of ownership over them until they are killed, captured, or tamed. Stealing fish is contrary to section 1 of the Theft Act 1968. The Act also creates poaching offenses to cover situations where wild fish are taken fishing hook.

Taking wild fish from a river is poaching, but removing a dead fish from a fisherman's car boot is theft. Taking fish from a lake stocked for an angling society could be theft, depending on whether the fish has a sufficient element of freedom in a large lake to be considered wild. Fish confined by fences to a small section of running water might be subject to theft. Removal of fish from keep-nets, fishing nets, and traps is theft.
 
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Sadly,it matters not whether it's theft,poaching,whatever really,the fish are gone,human predation,along with avian and mammal predation is unsustainable,one catch of twelve adult bream out of a shoal in one hit takes an awful lot of recovery,that is without the loss of breeding fish at spawning time,to me there should be a death penalty,just like the ivory poachers in Africa,there are more than enough humans on this planet,without those who do not want to do there bit to sustain it...

and before others do it,I will... o_O o_O o_O
 
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