For the introduction of non-lethal means of control of the Otter

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From what I am reading on angling sites the trust are loosing members because of the attitude towards the petition and those that organised it with anglers cancelling direct debits and other saying they will not re join, is their sudden u turn a cynical attempt to reverse this I wonder? I am afraid the damage has already been done particularly regarding the attacks on individuals respected within angling.
 

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This is a piece written in 2010 by Fred Crouch concerning otters.




Troubles Ahead?

The full impact of the programme to reintroduce and assist spread of otters across our waterways has yet to be felt although many highly disturbing incidents are being reported on an increasingly regular basis. In my opinion this is a multi-facetted and extremely serious situation with some aspects not yet fully considered. The first and obvious concern is the direct killing of fish, including barbel where present. But here are some other issues that are equally worrying though kept somewhat in the shadows by the enormity of direct predation.



There is no doubt that far more otters have and will continue to populate our waters than would ever normally exist in their pre-programme habitats. The claim that each individual needs many miles of bank is based on rivers that have had historically low fish populations. They have now been established on rivers where anglers, angling clubs and other agencies have worked hard to encourage high populations! Why would these fearsome, top of the food chain predators need to cover five or six miles of river bank while they have all they need on their doorstep? A predators ‘territory’ is directly linked to food availability. That is a fact displayed throughout the animal kingdom from birds of prey to big cats. This over-population will continue and even increase and only begin to decline in line with diminishing fish stocks.

Another aspect which will impact on the angler is the very presence of otters. Swims that regularly hold good numbers of fish will quickly become the target of these large mammals just as shoals of silver fish attract pike. The result will be dispersal as each barbel seeks personal safety. An otter simply moving through an established swim on a regular basis will cause the fish to desert the area, maybe permanently. As these fish will probably seek some protective cover it would make sense to fish for them there. Areas such as weed beds and in-stream tree growth would at least make the fish feel a little safer. Frightened barbel are almost impossible to tempt with a bait so if otters are nearby the angler will almost certainly struggle for a bite.

Now for a third problem and one that may well have the greatest impact. Between mid-March and mid-June when the barbel gather up to spawn and the angler traditionally keeps his distance the normally suspicious and highly observant otters will, in the main be left will be left undisturbed to harass the fish to their hearts’ content. Even if they killed only one or two fish their presence will ensure that all spawning attempts will be aborted.

Our rivers are under threat as never before and things are much different to those in my earliest days. Generally lower levels as a result of more efficient drainage and natural bank erosion and future use as green energy sources look towards hydro-electric schemes. And then course the spread of mink cormorant, signal crayfish and now otters. As I entered the sport of angling it appeared all the fish had to worry about was the heron and kingfisher but things have changed so much.

However I along with millions of others came through a frightening war and just had to get on with it. As an unshakeable optimist I believe we will see our way through these troubled times. I don’t quite no how yet but I will always believe.

Coming soon, a bit more on signal crayfish.


FRED CROUCH
 

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And Elephants I haven't seen one of those on the bank for a while, lets do what the re wilders want and re introduce wolves and bears and then hopefully they will keep the otter numbers down.

I have happy memories of sitting next to my Dad fishing in Bridgnorth cutting bits of luncheon meat to feed the nearby rats nest.
Rats are native mink aren't.

Minks eat fish so if Otters interfere with them doesn't that save some fish?

Wolves and bears are a step too far for me having been extinct for so long and given the size of the UK.
 

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lets do what the re wilders want and re introduce wolves and bears.

Where's your ambition? Demand the stars. Let's call for the re-introduction of coarse fish to the Lower Derwent.
 

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Cute cuddly things aint they

WARNING GRAPHIC CONTENT: Are hungry otters killing swans in Milton Keynes?

As usual my links (anyone help) don't work but this is from a member of the public and not an angler, not a problem?
 
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Thanks both, its worrying that the park ranger or whatever he was wanted absolutely nothing to do with what this chap saw, none so blind I suppose.
 

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Of coarse they don't kill Swans do they?



that photo on its own isn't proof, otters will feed on carrion , maybe the swan was already dead?
My guess is more swans are killed by careless anglers than otters.
 

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It seems to me you are just putting bait out benny its very poor bait at that, you believe what you want.

No but that's the key to this debate , there is so much fake news and hearsay concerning otters.
I would sooner believe something that has been properly researched than the opinions of celebrity anglers.

Interesting article here concerning mink and their diet
 

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And his point is by putting that photo up? Err that otter eat waterfowl?
We kind of established that on the first page.
Otters have a very Catholic diet when it comes to prey, as they are apex predators doooooooooooooooh!
 
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