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Drennan do a big range of hooks and as with all tackle it's a personal choice thing, their hooks are generally sharp(though a few patterns lose their points easily), your plain specimen barbless would be next to useless on my small river barbel fishing, on float or lead, so for my fishing life revolves around four or five patterns, depending on fish being targeted and line strengths, rods etc, the hooks you use are a good hook, but some Drennan hooks are poor, for me(and Gordon obviously) anyway, the red maggot hook is as weak as pi$$ and opens on a whim, a friend swears by them(as did Simon, I gave him a few packets) so I gave them a go, I went trotting one morning, Normark Titan 2000 and 4lb line and an 18 red maggot, first trot the float sunk and I hooked a decent perch, landed it a fish 2lb plus as I remember, upon looking at the hook in the fishes lip I remember thinking that it held up well during a decent fight, then I went to disgorge it, that was it, it was so soft the hook buckled under the slightest of pressure and ended up the most incredible shape, I tied a new hook on and several trots later I was into my target, a chub, I landed it, God knows how, the hook was straight, only the barb held it, I have used very fine wire hooks for squat and bloodworm fishing in my match fishing days, but nowadays I have a massive gap between medium wire to forged strong hooks.

The Drennan carbon chub or red bream are hooks that aren't heavy wire like superspades, but are very strong without being too heavy in the wire which would ruin presentation, some think this is a myth, but sadly it isn't....
Long time since I have done any barbel fishing but I think I used the specimen Drennan's back then, cannot remember any problem with them back then, more lately I have caught anything on these hooks up to about 6lb, often enough on just a 14, never had one straighten out on me that I can remember. never trust the fine wires but only tried them sea fishing, if I am going to catch a fish I want to land it, maybe a few fewer bites but I like to be able to play a fish with confidence in the hook, can't fuss about worrying about a hook. Not saying it is wrong just my own take on it.. Just gone over to carp hooks sea fishing, size 6 I think they are fished pennel style, the tackle shop bloke recommended them, I asked what's a small but very strong hook and he sold me these. Cant say I have caught anything big yet with these but the tackle shop bloke assured me they will cope with almost anything, as long as it is a 10lb+ bass without bending out, I will be happy. Wouldn't have the confidence in anything fine wire coarse or sea but everyone finds what they feel happy with in the end.
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Unless they simply don't list them on their website, it looks like they were discontinued some time ago. The only red Drennan hooks currently listed appear to be Red Maggot, Carp Maggot and Acolyte Red Finesse. The older Red ranges, including Red Bream, passed me by completely. I don't recall having ever seen them in any local tackle shop. Only when searching for them did I find that Drennan has done several red hook patterns. I don't recall having ever seen any of them.

Benwicks still have limited stocks of Red Bream (30-60 packets, size depending). They also have Fine Red, Red Roach, Red Match and Ultra Fine Pole but all in much lower quantities.


RMNDIL(Richard Norris) put me onto the red bream and apparently there are thousands in storage and a friend of mine had a workmate travelling in Poland pick up quite a few boxes of twenty for us(yes twenty!), then suddenly a few shops got them in in packets of ten, Benwick Sports and Matchman Supplies being two, sadly fashion(again) and the constant need for manufacturers of everything to have 'new improved' product ranges has cost a lot of anglers of their preferred hooks for river angling at least(and it is a lot),Des Barker who worked at Popletts talked to the Drennan rep about it and he replied use superspades, therein is a man who knows bugger all about river fishing as Des told him they were being inundated by questions of when the carbon chub hooks will be in and this was a hard-core of the best match anglers in the area that buy hundreds of hooks to tie up, Drennan obviously know best, sadly Peter has little to do with the business now and his sons run it....
 

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I'll bet that sales figures drive everything. The problem with match anglers, and other very frequent anglers, is that once they establish a favourite, they tend to buy in bulk. To keep the bean counters happy, and prevent items from being discontinued, they'd be better off buying small quantities more frequently. Carbon Chub were definitely a victim of bulk buying in my part of the world. I know of quite a few anglers that still have good stocks of them despite them having been unavailable for many years. They'll see out quite a few anglers and end up in a landfill when their owners shuffle off this mortal coil.

Drennan is one of the best companies for product longevity. However, they aren't totally immune to the modern trend of changing things to induce sales. The fact that Drennan might have thousands of Red Bream in storage, despite the fact that they are effectively discontinued, might suggest that sales figures were pretty poor. The fact that I don't recall having ever seen Red Bream (or most of the other red hooks) might hint that many shops weren't that keen on them either.
 

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In Europe they sell Chris, our tackle shops probably have never heard of them as they are not in Drennans product lists, also many tackle shops don't stock what you and I think are good rods, where that leads you into how good our tackle shops are is all in our thoughts, I have a tackle shop 6 miles away from me that I wouldn't buy anything from, it has nothing I would use...
 

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Well, I caught one I didn’t expect today! Float fishing worms on my local river, I reckon a good 20 miles from the Sea. It’s a tributary to the Ribble - which I reckon just makes it more unlikely. But a decent Flounder (and rarer still - lip hooked!) taken on Float fished worms! Map attached for reference, the red pin was where I was fishing and the red arrow is where it meets the Ribble. A fair way!
 

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The last ten miles or so of the Douglas are supposed to be tidal. I wonder whether the weir removal program may be allowing all sorts of fish to get further upstream than they used to get. Flounder are remarkably tolerant of fresh water. I remember catching several in a lake complex close to the tidal River Parrett in Bridgewater. As far as I know, there was no direct connection between the lakes and the river. The flounder were coexisting with good numbers of roach, bream, carp and perch.
 

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Flounder were a mainstay of sport on the Welsh Dee at Chester in the 70's. They came over the weir at the tidal boundary. A match winner qualified for a prestige final on a Danish river with one of these and an eel. Try telling that to the young people of today with their multiple keepnets.
 

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Used to be plenty of flounders in the Ribble, as far as the weir above Clitheroe, and on the Hodder I’ve seen them in the paper mill pool at bashall eaves, that was before they built the weirs on the lower parts of the rivers, the last flounder I saw caught on the ribble was below the weir that’s been removed at Brockholes nature reserve.
 

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Fantastic things! Was delighted to catch it like, fascinates me they will spend so much time upstream. @samvimes this was a good ten miles from the tidal limit, but we have had floods and big winds which may have brought them up. On a similar note, I heard of a Chub being caught really downstream in the Ribble not long back, in water usually considered to just be the sea. Took a 2/0 with Black Lug on!
 

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Fly-fishing for flounder?
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Right! To business.

I was desperate to get out fishing this week, but the weather and other commitments prevailed. This morning I was all ready and despite the awful night that left trees blown over and standing water everywhere I was undaunted. There were four errands to do on route so I didn't get to the river until after 12 noon. That was when I realised just how much rain had come down. The normally stately Charente was two foot up, brown as coa-coa and racing down.

I knew three swims that might have some slack so that is where I headed. I slid rather than drove down the slippery farm track and then reversed the last 150 yards along the towpath so the boot would be facing down wind and the dog would be able to watch where I was. She gets seperation anxiety.

First up I float fished using the heaviest float I had in the seat box I had taken. A 6g bolo was severely overloaded in order to hold bottom. I had bait dropped some maggots in and fished lob worm. Because of the conditions and the chance of large carp I was using the 1920's salmon / pike / mahseer rod and period 1914 salmon reel loaded with 12lb mono. Big float, big hook, big bait, no result. Same in the next two swims. In the interim it had started raining heavily. I went to my car to get the brolly, not that it would have stood up to the violent squalls that plagued the day. It wouldn't work either because the replacement pole that I bought is too thin and the screw lock doesn't lock. By this time my chair was puddled and the maggots in the open tub were soaked and had formed an escape committee. Things were not looking good.

I drove back up the slippery slope and to another area where there is a boat canal that has a lock. It allows boats to go around rather than over a weir. That was still water. It was still raining heavily, but I had my SBS wet weather gear on by then. There was a wooden platform where boats moor up while the crew work the lock gates. It was slippery as hell. I got my Suveran quiver tip rod out and fixed a maggot feeder along with a 16 hook. Two balls of groundbait went towards the far shelf (I had surveyed the canal using a sonar last year). After a miserable, wet 20 minutes or so I missed the first bite. Lack of match fitness I think. Then I caught two roach of around 4oz each. I swapped to a 14 and sweetcorn bait and after a long wait got a bream of about 3lb. By that time I was ready for home. My arris was wet through because of the puddled chair and the wind was driving rain past my hood and down my neck. And the dog was giving me the daggers.

The journey back was not pleasant along the dual carriageway. It is a 110kph limit. I felt safer at 80kph in the rain and spray, but lorry drivers who are restricted to 80kph and the nearside lane went thundering past at over the ton.

So, an eventful day. Four fish including the one I picked up at the chippy on the way home.
 

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It didn't get off to a good start. Packing some gear I realised I'd left something on the bank on Tuesday - a home-made dolly butt, a beautiful, short, all cork handle, that turned a decent 17' rod, a spliced tip Tricast Finesse, into a brilliant 15.5' job. I'm still kicking myself.

I wasn't sure what I'd find when I got to the marina. With 4' plus on and rising, I couldn't picture which of the few accessible swims would be still feasible. Out of three fishable spots, two were occupied by pikers. One of these was in the middle of a 20 yard stretch with four rods fanned out, two float, two legered. Would you say something and insist they make space? Tempting, but who wants to spend a day next to someone in a bad atmosphere? The other swim was being snapped up as I arrived. On the point of going home, I found a "swim" that might just be better than nothing.

There was a 12m long, 3m wide ledge a foot under water to my left, a narrow shallow channel and a concrete pier, and about 12m out the depth dropped to about 11' in the marina proper. I'd usually put my box down on that left hand corner.

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And for good measure there was a railed walkway behind me and a bush on my right

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I didn't think this was a swim to bag up in, but I didn't want to go home without fishing. I set up the usual small slider and fished just past the pier on the right. I was sheltered by the building on the left, but there was a stiff breeze out on the water left to right. Twice it blew my rig onto that walkway, where it snagged and tangled, so after half an hour I'd set the slider up - not hard but time-consuming - three times. I was wondering if maybe I'd have had more fun pushing into the piker's swim.

Anyway, I persisted and ended the session with around 8lb of mixed fish of which these were the outstanding specimens

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A little update: I mentioned the lost butt in the ts just. The shop manager rooted in the back and came out with the butt section of a Shimano Purist River Feeder. Quality cork with a natty cork-covered reel seat. Perfect! How much for that then? Oh, you can have it Kev. Yet another reason I don't get my stuff from AD.
 
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I was going to go today Kev, but after the week we have had since returning from holiday I hadn't sorted my gear or gone for maggot and when I saw the awful forecast with heavy rain until 1-2pm I thought no, just as well, I would have forgotten several items that would have been crucial for my chosen venue, these items would have been in my normal kit as standard, so I decided to sort my gear out for the coming week and put my other gear away(barbel and LRF), charge up head torches etc, now I'm watching Fulham v Utd....
 

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I was going to go today Kev, but after the week we have had since returning from holiday I hadn't sorted my gear or gone for maggot and when I saw the awful forecast with heavy rain until 1-2pm I thought no, just as well, I would have forgotten several items that would have been crucial for my chosen venue, these items would have been in my normal kit as standard, so I decided to sort my gear out for the coming week and put my other gear away(barbel and LRF), charge up head torches etc, now I'm watching Fulham v Utd....

It's a good day not to go fishing here, too! I'll be watching that match, recorded, in a bit. I always find sorting gear out before/after holidays a chore, as well. I've got several bags, a few rod holdalls, seatboxes and chairs for this and that, but I'm never going to be one of those I-just-pick-up-a-bag-and-go anglers.
 

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Thursday night I decided to try for some perch with lures, so a quick phone call to a perch mad friend living near Doncaster and in minutes we had made arrangements to try one of large canals that we used to fish in the early years of this century, and where, at the time we both had perch, some of which were over three pounds.
Arranging to meet up at ten am I set off at nine fifteen along the M18 for the forty minute journey.
Exiting a sliproad near Thorne and heading to the venue a bridge was closed to traffic forcing me to carry forward to try another way to the venue.
Along my detour ran the river Don that was high, so high it was up to the three foot high concrete flood defences beside the road!
I turned left over a bridge and a mile further along still in the east riding of Yorkshire the road was all I could see as the fields were all under water as far as i could see, a photo would have been nice but a car behind and nowhere to park made it impossible.
Finally we both met up by the canal car park and were getting our gear out of the car when a baillif rolled up and asked to see our fishing license's.
Some anglers never see a baillif, let alone get asked to show their license but Yorkshire has them in abundance- all four of them if I heard him right.
So finally we set about trying various lures in our effort to lure a perch, squirms, spinners, latex lures in shad patterns, drop shotting patterns and more traditional fare where we swim jumped along in gloriously warm sunshine.
We stopped at times for a coffee and a chat, my friend felt that he'd had an offer from a perch or pike but I'd not had any.
Towards 3-30pm I had to make tracks for home so I bade farewell to my friend and hit the M18 but a few miles on the traffic came to a crawl, the culprit being a car on the outside lane, hazards flashing.
I was home just before 4-30pm fishless but happy!
 
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The Hants Avon is heavily coloured and in flood, but I chanced a few hours this afternoon simply to get a bit of fresh air.

My bottom bait lay untouched, but a paternostered smelt chugged off slowly, I lifted into what I expected to be a Jack, but was pleasantly surprised by an epic tussle resulting in a 17lb 4oz, full bodied pike.
 

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Back to the marina at lunchtime today. The river was a foot up on Friday's high level. I put a platform in the boot (one I bought for an Irish holiday in 1992; I like to get my money's worth out of gear) in case I had to sit in the water again in some nadgery corner, but there was nobody else fishing and I set up in armchair comfort where I could touch my car with the rod

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I plumbed up to find two spots with the same depth, one straight out, one over to the right, so I could fish two swims without fiddling with the depth on the 2g slider, set at around 12'. I fed red maggots over a bit of groundbait on the right, hoping to catch some of the good perch that live here. The groundbait is just to pull in some small fish, which help attract the perch. Out in front, I fed hemp with a few tares for the roach.

The perch didn't show up, but luckily the roach had when I tried fishing for them after dripping in hemp for a couple of hours and they were a decent stamp

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A fishing friend who lives locally dropped by with his dog for a chat and talked me into (it didn't take a lot) joining him on the nearby T&M canal where he's been catching lovely roach on breadpunch. Last time he sat behind me on here was before I had the cataract op, and I could barely see my float, never mind shy bites. Today I was pleased when he said I was seeing bites when he couldn't see the float, as he's no slouch with a waggler. Around 3.15 the sky darkened, the temperature dropped and rain began to fall, so I called it a day.

Hooks for roach have been discussed lately, and I can say I didn't lose a fish off the hook and used the same one throughout, a Kamasan B560 size 18. I think they're great hooks for roach. I wouldn't wax as lyrical about them as this writer, but I agree with all his points


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I threw the gear in the car and came back to check I hadn't left anything this time, and found this dude cleaning up any maggots I'd dropped

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I went this morning, a frosty, misty one, I wasn't feeling too good, shoulder arm pain, by half ten I had packed, just felt grim, so packing was the sensible option, I had three chublets and two small barbel, one about 12ozs, the other around 2lbs, as I packed I had a text message and my doctors surgery had organised a phone appointment for 2.10pm, so now he is going to examine me next Tuesday which is great, the middle finger of my left hand started hurting this afternoon, then the underneath of the nail went blue, then I remembered almost shutting it the door, silly harris...
 
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