I had a message from a club telling me that an idea I'd never even heard of has been banned. If you can make it past all the revolutionary invention, game-changing, next-level tosh, you can see what the fuss is about.
Magic Twig?
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mikench
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Have you ordered one for elsewhere Kev?
I wonder how many other fisheries will do the same or is it a fad and a gizmo which will die a death. I saw adverse comments on the barbel forum which say it all. How many of us want a fish to hook itself whilst you stay warm in a bivvy. Personally I cannot abide Hamidi .
I wonder how many other fisheries will do the same or is it a fad and a gizmo which will die a death. I saw adverse comments on the barbel forum which say it all. How many of us want a fish to hook itself whilst you stay warm in a bivvy. Personally I cannot abide Hamidi .
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flightliner
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Mmmm! Interesting Kev, Hamidi is seems truly convinced the idea works.
I would like to see if it does or not, I've no doubt we shall hear about it from the carp angling community which ever way it goes.
It's not a new idea tho, a spring loaded gadget was brought out in the mid sixties and was tested on the Witham by, I believe, Sheffied match angler Bill Bartles but my understanding of the trial was that it failed to register bites from the shy biting Bream in the river at thst time.
Maybe a better chub dominated venue would have been more suitable?
At the time it was reported in the old Angling Telegraph with pictures of the device, and Bill putting it thro its paces.
I would like to see if it does or not, I've no doubt we shall hear about it from the carp angling community which ever way it goes.
It's not a new idea tho, a spring loaded gadget was brought out in the mid sixties and was tested on the Witham by, I believe, Sheffied match angler Bill Bartles but my understanding of the trial was that it failed to register bites from the shy biting Bream in the river at thst time.
Maybe a better chub dominated venue would have been more suitable?
At the time it was reported in the old Angling Telegraph with pictures of the device, and Bill putting it thro its paces.
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I had a mail this morning from one of my clubs saying exactly the same as the one Kev got. I didn’t know what it was either.., now I do and even though I’m only an occasional carper there’s no way I’d ever use that. I have a feeling this is going to be banned throughout the UK.
Clever without a doubt but just doesn’t seem right…..but I don’t fish rock hard waters.
Clever without a doubt but just doesn’t seem right…..but I don’t fish rock hard waters.
@Clive
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There was a spring loaded float marketed in France in the 1950's / 60's along the same lines. A little flag popped up when it had been triggered.
To be honest the magic twig is a brilliant idea if you want to sleep while you are fishing, and that basically restricts the usefulness to the bivvy brigade.
To be honest the magic twig is a brilliant idea if you want to sleep while you are fishing, and that basically restricts the usefulness to the bivvy brigade.
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Ray Roberts
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When I was a teenager I saw an automatic striking device at a lake near Dartford, I believe it was Horton Kirby. It had a mechanism similar to a mousetrap and sat under the rod. The line was jerked downwards by an arm. I never saw another one.
More recently there was a device for sale on Facebook that originated from the far east. It was made from springy stainless wire. One part looked life a French boom, as the fish tightened the hook link it tripped it and jerked the line self-hooking the fish. One of the clubs I belong to has had Hamdi’s device mentioned on their Facebook page and the consensus was that it wasn’t for us. Which I definitely agree with. There surely has to be.some skill involved from the angler to make it worthwhile.
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More recently there was a device for sale on Facebook that originated from the far east. It was made from springy stainless wire. One part looked life a French boom, as the fish tightened the hook link it tripped it and jerked the line self-hooking the fish. One of the clubs I belong to has had Hamdi’s device mentioned on their Facebook page and the consensus was that it wasn’t for us. Which I definitely agree with. There surely has to be.some skill involved from the angler to make it worthwhile.
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flightliner
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I can't see it being taken up for Barbel fishing, not with their inbuilt ability to give a three foot twitch to hook themselves.
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Lots of clubs and commercial fisheries have banned it . Plus lots of clubs and commercial fisheries have a free running rig policy anyway .
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This is it for those who have not seen the video .
@Clive
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The question of what is and is not legally defined as fishing has never really been tested in court. Many years ago there was a case involving poachers setting night lines that went to appeal. Whilst the Judges upheld the conviction they could not define what was angling as opposed to tethered night lines. One Judge commented that he thought there had to be some human element which is as clear as mud.
Night lines have no rod, but rely on the same principle of bolt rigs and commercial long lines in that the fish hook themselves. This new device is merely taking one step further down that path. Carp are often spooked when mouthing baits on bolt rigs and this thing will increase the hook up rate, that is all. The 'angler' can still be soundly asleep with the rod fixed on its rests and the baitrunner set allowing the hooked fish to still be on the end of the line when he /she is woken by the alarm. Reading some of the antics described by Tim Paisley and friends they might even be down the pub or out shopping.
The Sogster
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I have known about this for a while.
I have a carping mate who works with OMC and Ali, and he's seen this thing in action on plenty of occasions throughout its development.
According to him it really does seem to work everytime.
We talked about it being banned, but as I understand it Ali is predominantly trying to capture the up and coming American/ Canadian carp angling market.
I have a carping mate who works with OMC and Ali, and he's seen this thing in action on plenty of occasions throughout its development.
According to him it really does seem to work everytime.
We talked about it being banned, but as I understand it Ali is predominantly trying to capture the up and coming American/ Canadian carp angling market.
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It would seem that such a device would be "outlawed" under the Environment Agency bylaws anyway. In my area (South East, specifically Thames) there is a local bylaw in addition to the national by laws which says:
"In the Thames byelaw area, you must not use more than 3 separate hooks attached to the same rod and line. You must not use any device that is designed to hook a fish automatically."
Not sure which, if any, of the other regions have such a bylaw, nor what the penalty would be if you were "caught" using such a device. It also makes me wonder how bolt rigs are viewed in light of this "law".
"In the Thames byelaw area, you must not use more than 3 separate hooks attached to the same rod and line. You must not use any device that is designed to hook a fish automatically."
Not sure which, if any, of the other regions have such a bylaw, nor what the penalty would be if you were "caught" using such a device. It also makes me wonder how bolt rigs are viewed in light of this "law".
Keith M
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This ‘video still’ shows that it isn’t working this time as it hasn’t triggered; yet the Carp is clearly already hooked !!!
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The Sogster
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Keith, I haven't seen the video and notice you haven't linked it.
I was only stating what I was told by someone I trust, who has seen it used several times throughout its development.
He didn't show me the data for hook ups, triggered or not triggered, hook size etc.
Nor have I been specifically looking for times it didn't work, most things whatever they are do not work 100 percent of the time every time.
I have known him as an angler for over 40 years.The guy has worked and continues to work with Korda since 2010 and OMC since its inception.
Thanks for pointing out the inaccuracy in his statement whilst conveniently forgetting the word 'seems'.
I have no involvement/ investment or interest in the damned thing either way.
I was only stating what I was told by someone I trust, who has seen it used several times throughout its development.
He didn't show me the data for hook ups, triggered or not triggered, hook size etc.
Nor have I been specifically looking for times it didn't work, most things whatever they are do not work 100 percent of the time every time.
I have known him as an angler for over 40 years.The guy has worked and continues to work with Korda since 2010 and OMC since its inception.
Thanks for pointing out the inaccuracy in his statement whilst conveniently forgetting the word 'seems'.
I have no involvement/ investment or interest in the damned thing either way.
chrisjpainter
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I'm sure it does work. But I'll be taking it to the rest of my club committee and suggesting we ban it. It's the wings (red) that bother me. If a lily stem or such like slides inside them, or if it gets caught in net holes, that's a clear fish safety issue.
Ray Roberts
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When you thought it was safe to get back in the water.
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What the hell is that…..a lunar module ?
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I found this described on YouTube about a week ago. It's a clever design but the fish has to be at least pricked by the hook and moving away for it to be triggered. So it is not a "hooker" but a "hook setter", surely if your hair-rig and end rig is set up properly that will happen anyway when the fish moves off?
It's quite obvious that if your mainline breaks after hooking a fish that the design is very much styled after the fishermans anchor - two arms perfectly shaped to find and snag any obstructions it is dragged across.
That one reason should be enough for any angler to dismiss this device! With a bit more design work (turning it 180 deg!) those arms would be less of a hazard, but is it at all necessary? Just another gizmo for the angling curiosity box!
flightliner
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I think It's the equivilent of a bow and arrow.
Definately not for me.
Definately not for me.