Perch & Zander advice

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Hi folks,

I want to use my 1.75 Barbel rod for some fishing for Zander and perch. Live and deadbaits. I got 10lb mono on at the moment which i think will do the trick.
What leader material should i go for? If pike is in the area…
Any special type of floats/rigs? Ive got a Bite indicator and bobbin aswell, but I guess that works better for deadbaiting hehe.
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If there are Pike about then you need to go with wire or a Pike proof braid...Wondertress was good braid that resisted Pike but they dont seem to make it anymore.

I would fish lighter rods and line for Perch than what you have. Everyone will have a slightly different take on rods & rigs so speaking very generally about Zander in particular....

Rods will depend on the type of fishing your doing and venue your on …e.g lake or river… Do you need a lot of lead to hold bottom.. Do you need to make a long cast…what size of bait.. etc etc but its also easy to get too hung up on these things as well …I would say a Barbel rod of 1.75 is going to be fine at least as a starter rod. 10lb line sounds ok to me too.

Regarding rigs most of the blurb about Zander is around low resistance. I have messed around with quite a few different setups for them, paternosters, popped up baits and so on but nowadays (& people may laugh) ..I quiver tip for them. I have a couple of heavy feeder rods of 14 & 15 foot that are just spot on for Zander in larger rivers. I am not a big fan of drop off indicators and trying to get bobbins to balance in a flow is a pain. Quiver tipping took a lot of the fuss away and it works well. I usually fish a straight running lead and a single hook or a very small treble so its very simple stuff. I try and keep my baits near the bottom, I don’t like them say midwater & I prefer to use small freshwater baits. A Roach head can be good. If you can catch and use them fresh then even better.

Zander are often associated with aborted takes which is why there is a heavy leaning towards low resistance setups but I think a lot of aborted takes are more down to Zander having small boney mouths than anything else.

Some people seem to do will using circle hooks, again not something I am a fan of but others say they work well. Night & low light is associated with Zander and this is the prime time to fish for them although that said on one venue I fish the best conditions appear to be literally mid afternoon on the hottest sunny days so you never know.

For Perch as I mentioned before I would tend to fish lighter, my general setup would be something like a 1.25 rod and 6lb line fishing a small livebait under a float either free roving or on a paternoster type setup. Prime time is again low light so dawn and dusk although I would expect them to trail off feeding as it gets dark while Zander will continue feeding into the night.
 
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I do not wish to hijack this thread but where are the 1lb plus perch. On most , if not all, of my waters , small perch are as numerous as small roach and Rudd but I have never caught a single one anywhere near or more than 1lb. I use a DV 0.75tc rod using worm, maggot and prawn but to no avail. Surely perch grow bigger.
 

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I do not wish to hijack this thread but where are the 1lb plus perch. On most , if not all, of my waters , small perch are as numerous as small roach and Rudd but I have never caught a single one anywhere near or more than 1lb. I use a DV 0.75tc rod using worm, maggot and prawn but to no avail. Surely perch grow bigger.
Bridgewater Canal , if you know where to look . Statham Pool . Both on the Warrington card .
 

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When Gordon and I visited Statham pool it was unfishable because of weed and over flowing banks. We saw pike though but both of us blanked. It did not inspire us to revisit.
 

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My experience is that if you have lots of small perch you are more unlikely to find bigger ones than in waters where perch are typically 8-10oz but much fewer in number . If there's any risk of pike I use wire . I mainly lure fish for perch , and use Surflon 11lb knottable wire - pricey but excellent , and it doesn't put the perch off at all . Drennan also do knottable wire - but it is bloody awful stuff and kinks far too easily .
 

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I do not wish to hijack this thread but where are the 1lb plus perch. On most , if not all, of my waters , small perch are as numerous as small roach and Rudd but I have never caught a single one anywhere near or more than 1lb. I use a DV 0.75tc rod using worm, maggot and prawn but to no avail. Surely perch grow bigger.
I would try to use some lures. If it aint winter or the fish are really static I think lures are a better option for perch. Livebaiting is a different matter imo.
Im living in Sweden where lures really dominate for all predators.

A Texas rigged craw usually get the bites for me. Got me a 2lb+ the other day. Also, ive noticed when watching a lot of videos on youtube that most people tend to use really small baits. I wouldn’t be afraid to use bigger baits. Of course the most important factor is to locate a water where you know there is big perch. When we search for new waters we usually look for lakes that has a lot of crayfish.
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I do a lot of lure fishing for perch and I love it . Mobility is key , and if the fish are at home and interested you will know first cast . In warmer weather I use jigs (typically 2-5 g) and hooks in size 4 to 1/0 . In cold water , drop shot is better as you can fish slower and deeper- I use a weight of 5- 8g and hooks from 6s to 2s.

Lures ? It's common to use huge great things but I rarely need to - and as a bonus I have noticed I get the same, or perhaps more decent pike on perch size lures as I did on the big shads I used to use. And for both species a big barbless single is so much easier to deal with than an array of treble ironmongery , and better for the fish I think .

Patterns - I have loads but simple paddle tails in yellow , silver , gold and green are nearly always effective . I increasingly use crayfish/ creature baits, and the key thing to note is that lures which look like an exact model of a crayfish simply do not work very well , or often at all. The reason is simple - look at a fleeing crayfish and it is an amorphous green/grey/black lump and lures which replicate that look are deadly . I use Urban Prey crayfish in black/red, black/yellow and watermelon (green/red) . I cannot over -emphasise how slow you should fish lures - newcomers tend to reel them back as if they are Mepps or they furiously sink and draw dropshot rigs. Work the worm , not the weight the Americans say - and they are dead right.

I have even had crayfish lures taken static - it happened again yesterday , as I am starting my 'winter perch campaign' as I'd say if I had a weekly column in Angling Times . I'd also be able to say I was 'field testing ' lures , rather than just trying summat new
 
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