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[Steve Spiller]

Mark if you weren't so big I'd come round and whallop you!

Well, I'd send someone else actually /forum/smilies/wink_smiley.gif

Come on the picture is horrible! I'm surprised we can't see a "size ten" putting the fish back into the frame!

 

[Fred Bonney]

It's all been said, I'm off to bed.

Cya.

 

[Steve Spiller]

Night Fred

 

[Mark Hewitt]

<blockquote class=quoteheader>Steve Spiller (ACA) wrote (see)</blockquote><blockquote class=quote>

Mark if you weren't so big I'd come round and whallop you!

Well, I'd send someone else actually /forum/smilies/wink_smiley.gif

Come on the picture is horrible! I'm surprised we can't see a "size ten" putting the fish back into the frame!</blockquote>


When have I said the picture is good?

Re-read please.......................

Just trying to create a balance!

 

[CAT]

What has Eddie farrell got to say about his Barbel photo, come on at least tell us where you caught them big boy.

 

[Steve Spiller]

"When have I said the picture is good?"

You haven't, but you also said you can't see nuffink wrong with it?

Have you been on the Blackthorn tonight? /forum/smilies/wink_smiley.gif

 

[JIMMY---PAAS]

Putting any fish on an old cloth is a NO NO.

The photo of the fish is totaly out-of-order, it seems to me if this was done with one person, how long does it take to get the fish like this for a photo then put them back ?.

 

[Ray Roberts]

Mark, you seem to have missed my point; What I am trying to say is that some of the people whom post on web sites have a hidden agenda. The guy who posted about killing the fish he caught clearly to my mind fell into this category. What I don't think we should do is give an arena for their views.

 

[Paul H]

I'll try and remain objective and logical.

The fish are on unsuitable and potentially damaging surfaces, not long, soft grass or a wetted unhooking mat.

The way the photo has been taken does suggest the angler was on his own at the time. In turn this raises the question of how long the fish are out of the water for?

When I am fishing alone I find the length of time it takes to lift one fish from the water, take a self portrait and return it again is plenty long enough for my liking. Even then I have had, on occasion, to support fish in the water for some time before I'm happy they're good to go again.

How could you possible return seven (or maybe more) barbel safely even if there were two of you? Three people could only manage to support two fish each in the water.

I agree that sometimes we can be a little over-sensitive, after all we all hook and then pull fish from the water but, I can only see pointers to some questionable practices in this picture.

What if they were roach?

I would still be critical of the muddy / towel surface but smaller fish are easier to handle; their body mass is such that seven or more roach could easily be lifted out of the water in one net and in one go, photographed and returned in a similar time-frame to one bigger barbel.

Also silver fish seem much more tolerant of being out of the water than barbel anyhow, I've never had to nurse a roach or a dace in the flow before.

 

[Steve Spiller]

The more I look at it, the more it makes me sick.

This thread and the pics should be deleted!

 

[Cakey]

MMMMM

its a hard one

the picture is shit ,badly composed and set up

but he is proud of his catch and wants to show us

he could of taken one at a time as he was putting them back but then a few of uswould of said its the same fish

he is in a no win situation

but I agree with Steve this picture sends out the wrong vibes

 

[Graham Whatmore]

The picture portrays perfectly how not to treat and photograph fish. I know zilch about photography but I do appreciate a well taken picture, this isn't one by any stretch of the imagination, but it is a perfect example of how not to treat to fish.

Why you Mark, should set yourself up as arbiter in this thread is, quite frankly beyond me. The picture shouldn't be shown on a site like this, it is too graphic and depicts some of that which is bad in angling. I, like most on here, do not like to see pictures like thiswhich why we post our dislike and for you to say we know nothing about their capture or how long they have been out of the water is totally irrelevant, it is quite simply a bad image.It alsosuggests a certain lack of respect for fish by the angler in question whoever he or she is and hopefully they will have learned something if they are reading this thread.

 

[Fred Bonney]

Morning all,

What Graham just said!

 

[Nigel Connor(ACA ,SAA)]

I presume the angler who took the picture enjoyed his catch(and why wouldn't he) and thought he would show it off.He obviously has not thought about fish welfare much before and most likely thought what he was doing was fine. Now he realises that it is not acceptable as do any others not well versed in fish welfare.

A lot of good ,caring anglers post on here, and Mark is most certainly one of them having fished with him several times, but it is easy to think as a consequnce that all anglers have those values when they do not. There is no point in sweeping issues under the carpet by not showing pictures such as this.Far better to use them as a means of education.

 

[JIMMY---PAAS]

Poacher; The members are not in any way trying to run you down.

We all see what is in front of us, and it,s wrong.

You should learn fish welfare first as Nigels post says. Do not feel embarrest in any way mate.

So please Poacher; If you have any questions you would like to know just ask, and we WILL help you mate.

But please do this for yourself, and that is to read up on welfare/handling etc, and you will be an better angler. We all have to crawl before we can walk, it,s the same in angling.

And lets all enjoye our hobby/sport.

 

[Mark Hewitt]

Good point Jimmy!

 

[GrahamM]

I think this picture is more a case of the guy needing some education and the fact that he's published the pictured on FM has ensured he's got some.

That he's made a gesture towards protecting the fish with the towel, although in reality not a good idea, shows that he does care but doesn't really understand what he's done.

What we can tell him now that we're all aware of what he's done, via the gallery, is that he should avoid putting too many fish in a keepnet, that if he does place fish on the ground they should be on an unhooking mat or at least on wet grass. Other people have also made some good points which hopefully he'll take on board.

I certainly can't criticise the guy too much because I've done exactly the same thing before I learned better.

The picture and the subsequent comments from most of us send out a positive message to the antis, and those of the general public who may happen to read the thread, that we do care and we're prepared to help those who don't yet have the same experience and education in fish conservation as some of us.

 

[Wendy Perry 2]

Steve if you were that upset about the picture, then why didn't you pm the guy in question and tell him your feelings, instead of doing it on a thread? The guy then could have asked for it to be taken down.

That guy may be so embarressed that he won't post again! Then he's never gonna learn anything, and will do it over and over again!

 

[Fred Bonney]

Wendy, the problem with only trying to reach the one guy, is that others seeing the pictures, may not be aware that there is a better way.

Oh, that must be ok ,nobody has said it's not

So for the sake of one persons short termembarrassment, because he will have learned from this, perhaps many more have been made more aware.

 

[Wendy Perry 2]

I know what you mean Fred, i just feel too many people on here criticize others without trying to help them first.

Steve maybe could have asked the guy could he put this up in a thread, to show people <u>not</u> what to do?