Tell your friend to just ignore the fools, fish with his old gear and methods, and probably outbag the lot of them by doing something different to every one of the sheep following eachother, and therefore something which the fish haven't wised up to. Failing that, fish a different venue if that's the encouragement he received from the regular clientele there.
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steve2
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Old tackle works fine, new shiny tackle is for tackle tarts with more money than fishing skill.
Older tackle, like old methods, still work perfectly well to catch fish.
I do like two piece rods as they are easier & quicker to store made up but the compromise is they are obviously longer to transport.
Worst of all are rods that don’t break down into equal lengths..they are a total PITA to transport especially made up. I have a Diawa Avon rod that breaks into 3 unequal sections. The handle and about 6 inches of the butt detach from a long middle and then there is the top section who length is somewhere between the other two.
If you could design the worst ever rod to transport made up that’s it ! …you either have to transport a short dangling bit of handle when its broken into three or a giant long section if you break it into just two. All bad which is a shame as it’s a nice rod to use.
For anyone with seriously restricted space for transporting then they could perhaps consider some of the travel rods out there. The sort of stepped up Avon/Carp/allrounder type rods are well served there.
Worst of all are rods that don’t break down into equal lengths..they are a total PITA to transport especially made up. I have a Diawa Avon rod that breaks into 3 unequal sections. The handle and about 6 inches of the butt detach from a long middle and then there is the top section who length is somewhere between the other two.
If you could design the worst ever rod to transport made up that’s it ! …you either have to transport a short dangling bit of handle when its broken into three or a giant long section if you break it into just two. All bad which is a shame as it’s a nice rod to use.
For anyone with seriously restricted space for transporting then they could perhaps consider some of the travel rods out there. The sort of stepped up Avon/Carp/allrounder type rods are well served there.
The Sogster
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Slightly tongue in cheek, but as my friend says "it's all bollox'
The main reason for two piece rods is they are cheaper and easier to manufacture. It may result in a benefit depending on the quality of the blank. It's a bit like breakfast cereals, they stop adding an ingredient I.e sugar thereby saving money in production but charge you more for the product because of the massive sticker saying 'now without'
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Tackle manufacturers also play on the fact that most anglers have cars. Try getting a six foot rod bag on a bus with a five foot eight ceiling while pulling a trolley. With three piece rods they can easily be transported on said bus and trolley.
My advice to your friend is stick to 13 foot rods which are usually 3 piece and be as curmudgeonly as possible towards the anglers taking the mick.
The main reason for two piece rods is they are cheaper and easier to manufacture. It may result in a benefit depending on the quality of the blank. It's a bit like breakfast cereals, they stop adding an ingredient I.e sugar thereby saving money in production but charge you more for the product because of the massive sticker saying 'now without'
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Tackle manufacturers also play on the fact that most anglers have cars. Try getting a six foot rod bag on a bus with a five foot eight ceiling while pulling a trolley. With three piece rods they can easily be transported on said bus and trolley.
My advice to your friend is stick to 13 foot rods which are usually 3 piece and be as curmudgeonly as possible towards the anglers taking the mick.
have you been looking at my new frock,lol...?
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I scratched my head too when I first got one similar. I then tumbled trick to handing was to reverse the butt, ie so pointing down then wrapping together. As an idiot of long practice I almost chucked the rod out of frustration, but it works for me.
steve2
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I have 2 of these 12ft Diawa Avons, now not used, nice rods but were a bit of a pain when left set up.
I've had one of these for ages
I agree it's a puzzle to carry once set up; not impossible but awkward, and I've complained about it myself. I wouldn't sell it though - it's such a handsome, slim rod with an action so much more pleasing than the banana curve of many Avons I've tried.
I gave up setting it up at home. Rigs for the type of fishing I use it for, like floater fishing or fishing for larger fish in the edge, are usually quite simple and only take a couple of minutes on the bank anyway.
I was lucky to get this one as a bargain. The owner thought the rings were worn. A closer look showed they were actually coated in partially worn-off Daiwa varnish, and an hour or so picking the bits off with a cocktail stick solved the problem.
I agree it's a puzzle to carry once set up; not impossible but awkward, and I've complained about it myself. I wouldn't sell it though - it's such a handsome, slim rod with an action so much more pleasing than the banana curve of many Avons I've tried.
I gave up setting it up at home. Rigs for the type of fishing I use it for, like floater fishing or fishing for larger fish in the edge, are usually quite simple and only take a couple of minutes on the bank anyway.
I was lucky to get this one as a bargain. The owner thought the rings were worn. A closer look showed they were actually coated in partially worn-off Daiwa varnish, and an hour or so picking the bits off with a cocktail stick solved the problem.
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I have often wondered what a 13' 2 piece is like to transport. I have a 6'6 rod bag once, a nice Fox product but with 4 rods in it was like a tent! I would have needed a transit, not a focus.
steve2
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Yes they are lovely rods the reason I stopped use mine was the over hanging tree on the water I was fishing at the time. Will have to get them out again, they should be just right on my new club waters.
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As a beach angler for many years I have had to suffer transporting 8'+ surf rod tips for years! Broken a couple of tips when stubbing the tip on part of the car interior whilst loading - easier than you might think when loading in freezing cold winter darkness.
These beachcaster tips might be strong when bent properly but carbon is brittle beyond belief when pushed even slightly back on itself.
I had a couple of these tips cut and a spigot fitted. Did not lose much action but so much easier to fit in the car, house, shed etc.
Now I am back to river fishing my most used rods are a three piece Grey Prodigy Barbel 12' and a Browning telescopic pike rod. Although I have two piece barbel and carp rods (Daiwa, Shimano, Sportex, Century, Harrison) the majority of my fish have been caught on these two rods. With barbel to over 8lb and carp to 42lb I find it hard to leave these rods at home now! ?
These beachcaster tips might be strong when bent properly but carbon is brittle beyond belief when pushed even slightly back on itself.
I had a couple of these tips cut and a spigot fitted. Did not lose much action but so much easier to fit in the car, house, shed etc.
Now I am back to river fishing my most used rods are a three piece Grey Prodigy Barbel 12' and a Browning telescopic pike rod. Although I have two piece barbel and carp rods (Daiwa, Shimano, Sportex, Century, Harrison) the majority of my fish have been caught on these two rods. With barbel to over 8lb and carp to 42lb I find it hard to leave these rods at home now! ?
sam vimes
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I have two. They are from an era where few even thought to take rods made up. It wasn't something that match and general coarse anglers tended to do until relatively recently.
Finding luggage is just a part of the problem. Mainstream coarse angling brands don't tend to make 13' two piece rods so they don't bother with suitable luggage. You end up relying on quivers and sleeves from the carp/specialist brands.
Getting them in anything less than a big estate car can also be challenging. I've found that reclining the passenger seat and laying them (or any luggage they're in) over the seat and into the footwell is the easiest option.
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I suppose I learned from my first " expensive" (to me then)rod I bought, a mk 2 j w young float. It had twenty plus rings which on a cold river bank were a true pain to rig. Plus I was forever missing one and had to redo. Ever since have taken made up. Being a natural idiot, not only by experience but from birth I have learned to avoid my repeating mistakes wherever possible. One tip though on 12 FTS life the passenger head rest up and they slide from the back seat forwards and go under and are supported. That would work even for longer. I can get 3 metre wood lengths in that way in my old focus estate.
One of my reasons for dabbling with made-up rods was threading up the line in poor light, with fine lines, with cold hands etc.
I bought a couple of sets of tapestry needles - blunt-ended so as not to scratch ring liners - and I can tie one to the reel line and walk up the rod without any fiddling, squinting etc. That, plus the fact that I prefer to be using "fresh" rigs means I'm rarely tempted to take a made up rod. One exception - a little 8' lure rod set up with method feeder and a small baitrunner which fits in a natty little Fox Rage carry case and is usually in the car in case Plan A is not working or I'm bothered by carp in the swim.
I bought a couple of sets of tapestry needles - blunt-ended so as not to scratch ring liners - and I can tie one to the reel line and walk up the rod without any fiddling, squinting etc. That, plus the fact that I prefer to be using "fresh" rigs means I'm rarely tempted to take a made up rod. One exception - a little 8' lure rod set up with method feeder and a small baitrunner which fits in a natty little Fox Rage carry case and is usually in the car in case Plan A is not working or I'm bothered by carp in the swim.