Wels Catfish

[schwendy2]

This might be a good idea if you are going abroad for monsters but if, as you say, the waters you are fishing contain fish under 50lb then you won't get much fun out of using broomsticks with this kind of test curve. Plenty of cats are caught on conventional UK carp tackle and I suggest you stick with that.

Those rods in particular are far from brooksticks Geoff.

As for fishing for cats with centrepins, i thinks its irresponsible to be honest you have no way of stopping a large cat on that tackle. I am all up for sporting tackle but fish welfair has to be top of the list.

 

[nicepix]

Those rods in particular are far from brooksticks Geoff.

As for fishing for cats with centrepins, i thinks its irresponsible to be honest you have no way of stopping a large cat on that tackle. I am all up for sporting tackle but fish welfair has to be top of the list.

If you read the posts properly you would see that the centrepins I use have disc drags similar to those on multipliers. The drag on the Okuma Trent is at least equal to if not stronger than that on a Shimano 8000. I reckon the rod would break before the clutch would yield at full setting.

 

[schwendy2]

I was thinking more about how much line usually spooled onto a centrepin.

To be fair it depends on how big the cats go, but anything over 50lb with 30lb braid on and you will need a heck of alot of line on to subdue it.

 

[nicepix]

I was thinking more about how much line usually spooled onto a centrepin.

To be fair it depends on how big the cats go, but anything over 50lb with 30lb braid on and you will need a heck of alot of line on to subdue it.

It is not about how much line is usually spooled on a centrepin. To say that using a centrepin is irrisponsible whilst making assumptions is irrisponsible in itself.

I have 250 yds of 30lb braid on mine. I have 250 yds of 30lb braid on my fixed spool. What is the difference?

 

[schwendy2]

I still stand by my view that you will struggle to stop a big cat on that tackle.

Maybe thats why people dont use it for catfishing?

 

[nicepix]

I still stand by my view that you will struggle to stop a big cat on that tackle.

Maybe thats why people dont use it for catfishing?

Please enlighten me as to how a drag on my centrepin is any different to a drag on a fixed spool reel if that they both give line with the same resistance? And, I've go no gears to wear out. Have you actually used an Okuma Trent?

You start off saying that it is irrisponsible to use a centrepin for catfish. Then you qualify that by saying "I was thinking more about how much line usually spooled onto a centrepin." Where did you get the information from? Have you access to some survey of angler's line capacities? In any case, how the **** do you know how much line I have on my 'pin? And if you don't know why should you make insinuations based on theory?

Centrepins are perfectly able to deal with carp and pike yet you don't see many anglers using them for those species either. It's fashion, nothing to do with their suitability.

Don't pass comment on what you don't know about!

 

[schwendy2]

Seems like ive touched a nerve

Go and catch a big cat on that setup and report back truthfully on how it went.

Ive used pins for pike fishing and its great fun with doubles. Wouldnt like to do battle with a 30 on it though. Please dont compare the fighting capabilities of carp and pike to those of catfish, likewise the effectiveness of proper fixed spool reels v pins for fighting these fish.

You seem to be passing comment on a subject you seem to know little about. Whats the biggest cat youve had on conventional gear?

 

[nicepix]

Seems like ive touched a nerve

Go and catch a big cat on that setup and report back truthfully on how it went.

Ive used pins for pike fishing and its great fun with doubles. Wouldnt like to do battle with a 30 on it though. Please dont compare the fighting capabilities of carp and pike to those of catfish, likewise the effectiveness of proper fixed spool reels v pins for fighting these fish.

You seem to be passing comment on a subject you seem to know little about. Whats the biggest cat youve had on conventional gear?

I'm not talking about conventional centrepins. That is the whole point. mg:

First you say that using centrepins fro catfish is irrisponsible. Then you claim that this is only the case if the 'usual' amount of line is used whatever you think the 'usual' amount is. Then you change it again and flip-flop to all centrepins are unsuitable for catfish. Make up your mind what your point is.

I asked you if you had ever used an Okuma Trent? I take it that you haven't. If you had then you would realise that it was different to those you used for pike. The Trent has a one-way disc drag like you would find on a multiplier reel. When locked down fully it would take more strength to take line than the rod would stand. At a more moderate setting you have a drag that is as smooth and reliable as a multiplier or fixed spool and can easily be adjusted in use.

Compared with what you call a 'proper' fixed spool (whatever that is) you have a solid metal reel with no gears to wear out and a strong one-way disc drag allowing you to hold the rod with both hands while line is being taken out. Now tell me why that is not suitable for catfish? :wh

 

[schwendy2]

My problem is, you say there are cats in the lake to at least 160lb.

You are fishing for them with a 3.25tc rod, 30lb braid and a centrepin.

Nuff said. Lets hope there are no snags wthing 200yards of you.

You have to setup to catch the biggest fish in the lake, you have no control over what picks your bait up.

Ive never used a trent pin, but i have known penn gti multis being smashed to bits on fish of this size.

Lets leave it at this. When youve had a big cat on the above setup lets re-convene. I think you will then see where i am coming from.

 

[nicepix]

My problem is, you say there are cats in the lake to at least 160lb.

You are fishing for them with a 3.25tc rod, 30lb braid and a centrepin.

Nuff said. Lets hope there are no snags wthing 200yards of you.

You have to setup to catch the biggest fish in the lake, you have no control over what picks your bait up.

Ive never used a trent pin, but i have known penn gti multis being smashed to bits on fish of this size.

Lets leave it at this. When youve had a big cat on the above setup lets re-convene. I think you will then see where i am coming from.

Your issue was with the centrepin. Now, because you have run out of reasons to object to a centrepin you shift your stance once again.

The key point though is your statement: "Ive never used a trent pin" That is enough to end this debate. Once you have used a Trent then come back to me and tell me why you think it is unsuitable. Otherwise please refrain from calling me irrisponsible until you actually know what you are talking about.

 

[simon dunbar]

Alex in his post states he is a novice catfish angler. I don't think advising him to use a centrepin for catfishing is great advice , when a good baitrunner ,which is a lot cheaper and easier to use is the more obvious choice.
Maybe it is possible to catch catfish on a centrepin , but I don't know any 'hardcore' cat anglers ( there are a few out there !! ) who would use them in preference to a big baitrunner.
By the way Alex , I started catfishing using stepped up carp gear and that was fine for cats to in the 20- 30 lbs range. A 50 inch landing net would be better as they can be difficult to net and a long unhooking mat. Plus good strong sharp hooks are a must.
Check out the CCG website , plenty of info on there.

 

[schwendy2]

Your issue was with the centrepin. Now, because you have run out of reasons to object to a centrepin you shift your stance once again.

The key point though is your statement: "Ive never used a trent pin" That is enough to end this debate. Once you have used a Trent then come back to me and tell me why you think it is unsuitable. Otherwise please refrain from calling me irrisponsible until you actually know what you are talking about.

My issue is the centrepin, combined with your braid and rod is totally underguned for cats of this size. But even if you used a suitable reel i still could not condone fishing for cats of this size with that setup. Couldnt give a rats what the clutch is like on a trent centrepin its not suitable.

Ive caught cats of this size and beleive me they test every element of our gear to the max. You clearly have no idea.

Get real and think of the fishes safety, no one wants to see a fish trailing a hundred yards of braid around.

I cant think of one cat angler worth their salt that would support your argument.

We clearly have vast differences in opinion, and as i have no intention of fishing in this unsafe manner we will have to wait until you do battle with a large fish to see the merit in centrepins for catfishing.

 

[nicepix]

My issue is the centrepin, combined with your braid and rod is totally underguned for cats of this size. But even if you used a suitable reel i still could not condone fishing for cats of this size with that setup. Couldnt give a rats what the clutch is like on a trent centrepin its not suitable.

Ive caught cats of this size and beleive me they test every element of our gear to the max. You clearly have no idea.

Get real and think of the fishes safety, no one wants to see a fish trailing a hundred yards of braid around.

I cant think of one cat angler worth their salt that would support your argument.

We clearly have vast differences in opinion, and as i have no intention of fishing in this unsafe manner we will have to wait until you do battle with a large fish to see the merit in centrepins for catfishing.

Make up your mind! First its anyone fishing for catfish with a centrepin is irrisponsible. Then after being questioned you change that to the amount of line usually contained on a 'pin but you can't say what that is or how you come about it. Then you swap your stance again to that the use of a centrepin for catfish is irrisponsible. Now you are trying to say that the equipment as a whole is unsuitable. What are you on about?

The president of the local Silure Association tells me that the vast majority of catfish caught in the lake I fish are under 15 kg. Of the rest the vast majority of the bigger ones are under 25 kg. The number of 50+ kg catfish caught in the lake is around 3 or 4 per year. A well-respected catfish guide who used to work the Ebro recommended the test curve of the ideal catfish rod at around 3.25. to 3.5 lb TC. This was in his experience the best strength to subdue a catfish quickly. Now, I have taken their advice as they presented it in a manner that is acceptable.

All you have done is flip-flop around to try and prevent you having to apologise for being wrong about the reel that you have never seen and seemingly now do not care about.

Don't bother replying. You are on my ignore list.

 

[schwendy2]

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