thecrow
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Nearest I have come is a water that claims to have a good stock of roach, tench and perch along with some carp, I might give it a try Friday if the weather cools down.
Brutalism in Fishing
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Nearest I have come is a water that claims to have a good stock of roach, tench and perch along with some carp, I might give it a try Friday if the weather cools down.
Cliff Hatton
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I agree, Mikench, but could it be that some teachers have been subliminally nobbled by Nu-Think and simply don't understand the need to teach conventionally?
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thecrow
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I blame society with its over protective H&S the fear generated in parents minds about all sorts of horrors that have always been there just not publicised as much, I blame magazines and the TV for telling kids how they should think what's in and wha'ts not I blame the school system for having to clone kids into some sort of target hit for the government, I blame..............
Let kids do what comes naturally, let them roam and learn about life and form their own opinions of things through experience not what some self important gob$hite wants them to think and if they get a few grazed knees along the way so what stop wrapping them up in cotton wool and just let them become what they want to be through learning from life.
Let kids do what comes naturally, let them roam and learn about life and form their own opinions of things through experience not what some self important gob$hite wants them to think and if they get a few grazed knees along the way so what stop wrapping them up in cotton wool and just let them become what they want to be through learning from life.
mikench
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Cliff teachers are not blameless and many are very adept academically but inept at imparting enthusiasm in a subject and providing inspiration to children. In my experience many can recognise the obvious i.e. an intelligent, maleable and hard working child but fail to spot the potential of a far less obvious one. Worse still they make no effort to nurture hidden talents because they have not detected it in the first place!
Give a child a fish and he will live for a day; teach a child to fish and he will live forever!!
Give a child a fish and he will live for a day; teach a child to fish and he will live forever!!
Tee-Cee
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I can well remember having to choose a first school for my son and always in my mind was the fact that I hated that part of my own life with my school being very strong on discipline and being virtually scared of the teachers (inner London with concrete playgounds and late 1940's to boot) so we were recommended a small school where the head was heavily into all things nature.
He kept control, but he had a wonderful relationship with the kids and this helped by way of the large vacant, sloping field adjacent to the school where he and parents built a small stream and various barns to house all sorts of wildlife, including ponies, horses, duck, geese and a myriad of other creatures.
His clever plan was to have the kids 'look after' the animals etc. (sort of adopt, if you will)during playtime and outside school hours and this they did with loads of them arriving at school well before start time. The kids loved it and my son learnt how to deal with animals and be at one with nature.......He has never forgotten the experience.
Yes, they were controlled and taught well, but it was the 'big field' experience he passed onto them, and I think they loved him for it. All I ever heard from my son was, Mr X said this and Mr X said that - he could almost walk on water!
All of this influenced our choice of school as he moved through his young years, with the desire for him to be happy in his work, absolutely paramount. It cost a fortune but we could only find an independent school that suited this requirement and he loved it from day one. Hard work combined with sports, plus having teachers who respected the kids instead of brow beating them made it a memorable experience for him.
He went back many times well into his twenty's to see the teachers and the Head, even being asked to address the morning assembly to tell of his life experiences......Some of the best days of his life he tells me, all too often!
Did he reach his full potential - Oh yes he did!!
For my money it's all about working with kids and not 'fighting' them, to respect their opinions and listening to what they have to say. Doesn't always work, but it's a good way forward IMHO....................
ps He spent many nights and days with me on the bank fishing, as he saw it as some sort of adventure. He bought a friend occasionally and they had a great time fishing from our punt for tench and crucians. He never did take up the sport, preferring rugby, skiing et al to just sitting by lake or stream..........
He kept control, but he had a wonderful relationship with the kids and this helped by way of the large vacant, sloping field adjacent to the school where he and parents built a small stream and various barns to house all sorts of wildlife, including ponies, horses, duck, geese and a myriad of other creatures.
His clever plan was to have the kids 'look after' the animals etc. (sort of adopt, if you will)during playtime and outside school hours and this they did with loads of them arriving at school well before start time. The kids loved it and my son learnt how to deal with animals and be at one with nature.......He has never forgotten the experience.
Yes, they were controlled and taught well, but it was the 'big field' experience he passed onto them, and I think they loved him for it. All I ever heard from my son was, Mr X said this and Mr X said that - he could almost walk on water!
All of this influenced our choice of school as he moved through his young years, with the desire for him to be happy in his work, absolutely paramount. It cost a fortune but we could only find an independent school that suited this requirement and he loved it from day one. Hard work combined with sports, plus having teachers who respected the kids instead of brow beating them made it a memorable experience for him.
He went back many times well into his twenty's to see the teachers and the Head, even being asked to address the morning assembly to tell of his life experiences......Some of the best days of his life he tells me, all too often!
Did he reach his full potential - Oh yes he did!!
For my money it's all about working with kids and not 'fighting' them, to respect their opinions and listening to what they have to say. Doesn't always work, but it's a good way forward IMHO....................
ps He spent many nights and days with me on the bank fishing, as he saw it as some sort of adventure. He bought a friend occasionally and they had a great time fishing from our punt for tench and crucians. He never did take up the sport, preferring rugby, skiing et al to just sitting by lake or stream..........
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mikench
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School is a place of learning , the subjects we know and love obviously, but much more than that and it is a place where kids should be happy! Kids learn social skills, how to form friendships, how to behave, speak, confidence and self esteem and many more qualities.
We made many many financial sacrifices to send our three to private schools which we felt offered these attributes and aspirations( the same one at 11) and have no regrets. Whilst they all achieved more than I could have hoped for they are, most importantly, decent human beings with values which they can pass on to the next generation. In my profession I have had to deal with many who have no idea about such esoteric things and who bluntly add little to society!
Happiness has.little to do with materialism in my view ; it is a state of mind!
We made many many financial sacrifices to send our three to private schools which we felt offered these attributes and aspirations( the same one at 11) and have no regrets. Whilst they all achieved more than I could have hoped for they are, most importantly, decent human beings with values which they can pass on to the next generation. In my profession I have had to deal with many who have no idea about such esoteric things and who bluntly add little to society!
Happiness has.little to do with materialism in my view ; it is a state of mind!
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binka
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That's as true as anything I've ever heard Mike.
I don't think pure, product unaided happiness is something which is the natural default anymore given that commercialism is pushed so hard at people from such an early age, I wonder if it's all a plot to deny the very taste of general contentment in order that the corporates hook people early and establish a dependency on the heroin that is their market in the form of the latest flat screen telly, smartphone or car?
I don't think you can just switch off to it either, I think a conscious effort has to be made to actively challenge the underlying principles and form opposing behavioural patterns.
Having said that I've had my binge on it all during the past but having, in recent years, ticked the unsubscribe box I can honestly say I'm a lot happier for it
But...
Just imagine what that would mean for the corporates if we all did the same?
mikench
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Agreed Steve! The world thrives on consumerism and tempting new products which we apparently must have! It has taken a while but I am no longer tempted to buy just because it is available but because I have a perceived need of it!
The flashes of blue we saw as those delightful kingfishers flew by brought comments of awe and pleasure from us both and they cost us nothing save the effort to get on the bank of a river and to stay still! Those moments are priceless!
Must go I feel an ode coming on
The flashes of blue we saw as those delightful kingfishers flew by brought comments of awe and pleasure from us both and they cost us nothing save the effort to get on the bank of a river and to stay still! Those moments are priceless!
Must go I feel an ode coming on
Tee-Cee
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Strangely enough the clearing out of unwanted items (mainly furniture etc.) during the current updating/renovation of our home has really bought home how few possessions of my own I actually have.
Basically, a few rods reels and other tackle, an old Victorian desk where I fiddle around with float making, and 08 Honda to cart me around and that's about it. Oh yes, and an old mobile phone and dated laptop o keep me safe and in touch with the outside world.......
I have a range of clothes for different occasions which are replaced as required, but I haven't owned a suit since I retired 15 years ago or so and the few ties I own cover funerals or the occasional wedding.
As for the happiness bit; Well, I wake up next to my wife every day and that is a joy. Apart from the odd medical thingy life couldn't be better than it is, and I crave for nothing..
ps My son tells me his life style is very minimal. He said to me on the phone from New Zealand some weeks ago, that walking down to the beach in the evening with his kids, watching them playing in the sand and him gazing out over the Pacific with a mug of tea in hand, is just about perfect..........Mind you, I did suggest it a good idea to change his wife's 04 car for carting the kids! Needs must......
Basically, a few rods reels and other tackle, an old Victorian desk where I fiddle around with float making, and 08 Honda to cart me around and that's about it. Oh yes, and an old mobile phone and dated laptop o keep me safe and in touch with the outside world.......
I have a range of clothes for different occasions which are replaced as required, but I haven't owned a suit since I retired 15 years ago or so and the few ties I own cover funerals or the occasional wedding.
As for the happiness bit; Well, I wake up next to my wife every day and that is a joy. Apart from the odd medical thingy life couldn't be better than it is, and I crave for nothing..
ps My son tells me his life style is very minimal. He said to me on the phone from New Zealand some weeks ago, that walking down to the beach in the evening with his kids, watching them playing in the sand and him gazing out over the Pacific with a mug of tea in hand, is just about perfect..........Mind you, I did suggest it a good idea to change his wife's 04 car for carting the kids! Needs must......
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Cliff Hatton
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That's as true as anything I've ever heard Mike.
I don't think pure, product unaided happiness is something which is the natural default anymore given that commercialism is pushed so hard at people from such an early age, I wonder if it's all a plot to deny the very taste of general contentment in order that the corporates hook people early and establish a dependency on the heroin that is their market in the form of the latest flat screen telly, smartphone or car?
I don't think you can just switch off to it either, I think a conscious effort has to be made to actively challenge the underlying principles and form opposing behavioural patterns.
Having said that I've had my binge on it all during the past but having, in recent years, ticked the unsubscribe box I can honestly say I'm a lot happier for it
But...
Just imagine what that would mean for the corporates if we all did the same?
Binka, I think you've made a profoundly important point in saying "I don't think you can just switch off to it either, I think a conscious effort has to be made to actively challenge the underlying principles and form opposing behavioural patterns"
The 'norms' and the 'givens' are so deeply ingrained that, as you say, you have to be shaken out of the deep sleep of acceptance. For example, the BBC has been brainwashing us for decades and that's a fact I will not argue! One of the many ploys is to create 'collocates', defined with some minor variations as "a word that is habitually juxtaposed with another with a frequency greater than chance".
Thus, 'Captain' and 'Industry'; 'Boss' and 'Union'; 'Farage' and 'Racist'; 'Wilders' and 'Extreme right wing' become embedded in our minds as surely as 'fish' and 'chips'; 'salt' and 'vinegar' and 'Bread' and 'Butter'. We must respect the Captain of Industry with his crucial navigational skills, peaked hat and smart uniform, but we must loathe the Union Boss with his long, black coat, fedora and cigar.
Pursuing your point further, Binka, I think we should all be more aware that 'the news' is ONLY what the MSM choose to show us! Was it made known to the general public that in the last couple of days, the Austrian government (which beat the so-called 'far-right' party a few months ago) has completely barred further intake of African immigrants? That's big news, isn't it? Every bit as big as Andy Murray's latest success with a bat and ball! I've purposely used the word 'immigrants' rather than the recently popularized 'migrants' because it's the correct term. The word 'migrant' used to be used only when referring to the movement of birds but the 'M' (mmm) sound is redolent of 'mother', 'mama', 'meek', 'mild', 'mellow'...but the 'I' sound (I!!) is guttural and harsh: 'difficult', 'ignorant', 'insane', 'pig', 'Invasion'... and this would send the 'wrong' message.
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binka
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I agree entirely with your sentiments.
It's a fair while now since I opted out and swapped those for 'Exploiter' and 'Industry'; 'Exploiter' and 'Union'; 'Farage' and 'Reality'; 'Wilders' and, erm, 'Cheese'
In the case of the first two I was going to add 'Government sponsored in which is self defeating in the wider scheme of things' but then the explanation would have gone on so long as to have lost all interest in the first place and surely breached the non-angling politics rule.
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robertroach
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What an interesting post. I agree with nearly all your sentiments, but at the same time art is in the eye of the beholder and one person's pile of bricks is another person's Michaelangelo.
The same can be said of fishing. "Commercial" fisheries do not appeal to me but they do to very many people who just want to catch fish easily. Who are we to say they are wrong? And maybe there's also another argument which says catching freshly stocked rainbow trout from a concrete bowl reservoir is at least making fly fishing available to people who may never get the opportunity to fish for wild fish in a chalk stream.
The same can be said of fishing. "Commercial" fisheries do not appeal to me but they do to very many people who just want to catch fish easily. Who are we to say they are wrong? And maybe there's also another argument which says catching freshly stocked rainbow trout from a concrete bowl reservoir is at least making fly fishing available to people who may never get the opportunity to fish for wild fish in a chalk stream.
thecrow
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I think you will find that a commercial can be difficult the same as any other water.
Cliff Hatton
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"What an interesting post. I agree with nearly all your sentiments, but at the same time art is in the eye of the beholder and one person's pile of bricks is another person's Michaelangelo"
Do you really mean that, Robert, or have you, too, fallen foul of the hype? Possibly? I mean...it's a pile of manufactured bricks. Michelangelo created an unbelievably lifelike representation of David from a single rock - and it took him 3 years.
Now see.............
That's not 'art' is it. There is no artistic merit in it.
Do you really mean that, Robert, or have you, too, fallen foul of the hype? Possibly? I mean...it's a pile of manufactured bricks. Michelangelo created an unbelievably lifelike representation of David from a single rock - and it took him 3 years.
Now see.............
That's not 'art' is it. There is no artistic merit in it.
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binka
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That looks more like the aftermath I leave after a simple DIY task such as putting up a new light fitting!
flightliner
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You need an NVQ (not very qualified) in demolition Steve.
ps-- Cliff, agree, the guy who made the form for the concrete and steel to fashion the pillar is a far better artist than the idiot that conned the art gallery into letti g him dump those bricks--- seen better examples by some of the flytippers down many a country lane and field gateway.
ps-- Cliff, agree, the guy who made the form for the concrete and steel to fashion the pillar is a far better artist than the idiot that conned the art gallery into letti g him dump those bricks--- seen better examples by some of the flytippers down many a country lane and field gateway.
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thecrow
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"What an interesting post. I agree with nearly all your sentiments, but at the same time art is in the eye of the beholder and one person's pile of bricks is another person's Michaelangelo"
Do you really mean that, Robert, or have you, too, fallen foul of the hype? Possibly? I mean...it's a pile of manufactured bricks. Michelangelo created an unbelievably lifelike representation of David from a single rock - and it took him 3 years.
Now see.............
That's not 'art' is it. There is no artistic merit in it.
I think that looks just marrrvelous darling
I don't know where those bricks are from but they are not like anything I have ever used to build anything.
Cliff Hatton
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I'd be pleased to have produced 'David' in my lifetime - never mind 3 years!
I think that looks just marrrvelous darling
I don't know where those bricks are from but they are not like anything I have ever used to build anything.
I have"shat" a few bricks in my time
"Brutalism on Forums"Great thread though
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