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[Alan Whitty]

I'm afraid that even the worst, oppressive regime's have poor, innocent workers who need their goods sold around the world to simply feed themselves, this country has a pretty damming history yet we are the big cheeses to tell others how bad they are, just buy a fishing rod and give a China man a bowl of rice...

 

[@Clive]

I doubt any of us is certain, small rod companies like Harrison from Liverpool and centrepin makers aside, exactly where our rods and reels are manufactured. (Or where all the parts are made, regardless of where assembled) Companies tend to be coy about this; google it and you find phrases like "made in Europe". "made outside Europe", "made across the Far East" ..... It would be interesting, if anybody knows for sure, to hear what, from the big companies, is made where. I think it would prove quite difficult, inside and outside of fishing in this global economy, to dodge buying items from countries whose political complexion we dislike or avoid egg on our faces when commenting on what others buy. Just to be mischievous, I looked up Daiwa Fuego reels - I'd never heard of that model - and there are several claims they're made in China. Can you say for sure they aren't?

And why make a stand over rods and reels when virtuall every other item of tackle is made in PRC? Let's face it, we are all to blame. The penny pinching fueled by easy Internet price comparisons have resulted in companies outsourcing manufcture to China or going bust. Just like tackle shops have suffered from the Internet.

 

[Kevin aka Aethelbald]

Just to be mischievous, I looked up Daiwa Fuego reels - I'd never heard of that model - and there are several claims they're made in China. Can you say for sure they aren't?

I was being mischievous too, but those 'several claims' are incorrect, Made in Vietnam, it says so on the box. Okay, it's another authoritarian regime, but not a credible threat a western democracy.

Your points are valid Kevin, but about propping up communist China, I did use the words "... if I can help it". And I'm well aware that that's not always possible.

Anyway, just be careful what you say when you open your fridge, Beijing is listening to you.
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[Kevin aka Aethelbald]

I'm afraid that even the worst, oppressive regime's have poor, innocent workers who need their goods sold around the world to simply feed themselves, this country has a pretty damming history yet we are the big cheeses to tell others how bad they are, just buy a fishing rod and give a China man a bowl of rice...

That's bollocks. You miss the point that in spite of all the wealth that China has accumulated, ensuring your man gets his bowl of rice is nowhere near the top of the list of CCP priorities. It's the oppression of the poor and the support of the upper and middle classes who employ them - factory owners and the like - that keeps the CCP going.

Anyway chaps, I never intended to get into a hot debate on this thread, it was only a throw-away remark. Let's not fall out. (Make what you want of the little yellow face emoji... I'll get my coat.)
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[Kevin aka Aethelbald]

Here's a 13ft #2 Cadence, for a really good price, on eBay. Buy it with a clear conscience, dalesman... you'll be propping up Mel from County Durham:

 

[Alan Whitty]

No company (or government come to that) cares in this country when they make people redundant with big mortgages and families to feed, Vauxhall at Luton for example, 1,100 employees plus several thousand subsidiary workers, our holier than thou worrying about other countries regimes where we live in our own bubble not thinking about people not so well off as ourselves in our own neck of the woods, I understand your points perfectly, but I've worked for enough A-holes in this country who don't care, and use every country to make a shekel.....

 

[Kevin aka Aethelbald]

No company (or government come to that) cares in this country when they make people redundant with big mortgages and families to feed, Vauxhall at Luton for example, 1,100 employees plus several thousand subsidiary workers...

You could look at that through the other end of the telescope, starting with the consumer. Vauxhall, Ford, Nissan etc are struggling in the UK because people are buying Chinese brands like BYD and, for heavens sake, MG.

You and I will have to be prepared to pay more for goods in future if this country is going to start making things again and avoid sleepwalking into third world status.

The problem is, empires are built on and sustained by slave labour. For every middle class westerner there are 100 people living in relative poverty, just to sustain our lifestyles. The CCP knows this only too well - and having 800 million people means they don't have to look to Africa for slaves (they gift them with debt mountains instead).

And now I'm getting into areas of trade, economics and global finance that I don't fully understand, so I'll shut up.
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[nottskev]

Made in Vietnam, it says so on the box.

That's just what they want you to think.

T It's the oppression of the poor and the support of the upper and middle classes who employ them - factory owners and the like - that keeps the CCP going.

Sure that keeps just the CCP going? Could it happen here? (lol)

I'm too cold for hot debate - just come in from fishing. But a bit of fun is warming.

 

[Kevin aka Aethelbald]

Take off your (energy) cap, switch off the central heating and let off some steam - it's Ed Milliband's answer to high energy prices.

Brave soul, I'm waiting until next week to go fishing, when it'll be a bit warmer.
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[RMNDIL]

The problem is, empires are built on and sustained by slave labour. For every middle class westerner there are 100 people living in relative poverty, just to sustain our lifestyles. The CCP knows this only too well - and having 800 million people means they don't have to look to Africa for slaves (they gift them with debt mountains instead).

Have you seen many slaves working in rod factories ??

What about the other 400+ million Chinese people ? Don't they matter ?

 

[Kevin aka Aethelbald]

Have you seen many slaves working in rod factories ??

What about the other 400+ million Chinese people ? Don't they matter ?

If I could make sense of that I might answer. My guess is that you've misunderstood my post, not least the part you quoted.
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[RMNDIL]

If I could make sense of that I might answer. My guess is that you've misunderstood my post, not least the part you quoted.
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Think about that which you wrote and then mine

 

[Kevin aka Aethelbald]

Think about that which you wrote and then mine

I did and what you wrote made no sense whatsoever.
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[RMNDIL]

I did and what you wrote made no sense whatsoever.
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The first one is a very basic question which simply needs either a yes or no answer.

The second one is also a question which needs a simple yes or no answer as you stated 800 million and ignored the rest of their population.

 

[RMNDIL]

Vauxhall, Ford, Nissan etc are struggling in the UK because people are buying Chinese brands like BYD and, for heavens sake, MG.

I don't think BYD and SAC (MG) are entirely responsible for the troubles at those car makers in the UK market. For example, Ford would be selling many more cars if it weren't for this stupidly daft crusade towards net zero and forcing them to stop petrol/diesel production by 2030 (2035 but this Govt want to bring it forward again). I don't think Ford would have ever wanted to cease production and sales of the best selling UK car so soon, or others for that matter. Ford have next to nothing worth selling now and that was forced upon them by government.

 

[mikench]

More feelings of déjà vue . We do not have the infrastructure for electric cars, they are stupidly expensive to buy and once road fund tax and more expensive electricity is imposed (/and it will sooner rather than later) they will make even less sense. How foolish to force ford into stopping Fiesta and Mondeo production to comply with “ the stupid crusade towards net zero”. I know that I am not alone in sticking with my diesel car. There are many things I would not buy on principle such as a Tesla , Dyson or Chinese car. My current cars and vacuum cleaner bear testament to that.

Back on topic, if the OP has to buy a rod because of the behaviour of family members, he could do a lot worse than the Cadence on eBay. Buy and send them the bill .

 

[Kevin aka Aethelbald]

The first one is a very basic question which simply needs either a yes or no answer.

The second one is also a question which needs a simple yes or no answer as you stated 800 million and ignored the rest of their population.

The first question was a non sequitur, because I never even mentioned workers in Chinese rod factories. As for the second, simply because I plucked the population of China out of thin air doesn't change the sense of my comment.

So, what was your actual point? If it was to prove that you know the population of China and I don't, then clever boy and thanks for educating me.
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[dalesman]

Just heard my daughter has bought me a new 14’ Preston innovations supera X together with a nice malt whisky. Thanks lads.

 

[RMNDIL]

The first question was a non sequitur, because I never even mentioned workers in Chinese rod factories. As for the second, simply because I plucked the population of China out of thin air doesn't change the sense of my comment.

So, what was your actual point? If it was to prove that you know the population of China and I don't, then clever boy and thanks for educating me.
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You were the one who said he didnt want to buy Chinese made because it would prop up CC, built on slave Labour and that the factories were part of the system.

So i wondered how many slaves you'd seen or witnessed being opressed and/or exploited in factories making fishing rods to justify your stance. Pretty reasonable.

And if you just throw out totallly random and completely wildl and inaccurate numbers then how on earth is anyone supposed to take what you say seriously

 

[Kevin aka Aethelbald]

You were the one who said he didnt want to buy Chinese made because it would prop up CC, built on slave Labour and that the factories were part of the system.

So i wondered how many slaves you'd seen or witnessed being opressed and/or exploited in factories making fishing rods to justify your stance. Pretty reasonable.

And if you just throw out totallly random and completely wildl and inaccurate numbers then how on earth is anyone supposed to take what you say seriously

Have you even been to China? And what was it about my last answer that you didn't understand?

While missing the actual point, you pick up on irrelevant details (like I said, the actual population of China wasn't important to the argument, likewise the workforce demographic of Chinese rod factories) in the perverse hope that by discrediting others you prove how clever you are. This can't hide the comical fact that your comments betray a lack of comprehension - perhaps you're only masquerading as someone intelligent.


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