Running or Fixed?

[Frothey]

Just in general - "people" talk about fish moving off with slack lines and light indicators as if they were unaware that they had picked up a hook until the line pulled tight.

 

[Graham Marsden]

We're in agreement there then Dave.

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They can feel even a freelined rig as line has friction through water, certainly enough that they can detect it.

 

[Frothey]

was going to add that about "free"lining- try dragging 30yds of line along by a size 6 hook!

same with fishing nymphs for trout - with all the drag on a flyline, i think its more a case of the trout failing to hook themselves, rather than us hooking them with the strike. fishing static buzzers, especially with a sight bob is almost like using a bolt rig lol

 

[tigger]

The lighter the lead the more chance it will move when the fish picks up the bait. Remember, this is in water when a light lead will be even lighter.

Yeah Graham, I know bud . Using a small lead close in with not to tight a line as to lift the weight off bottom should still allow the line to slide through the link and register a bite on the quiver (if the quiver is sensitive enough).
I think that's where laying on comes into it's own and why it's so sensitive a method of ledgering........as you will know I've no doubt Graham.

 

[preston96]

Have any of you that doubt the way a heavy lead WILL move before line moves through the lead ring ever tried it on the lawn with rods set up?......the lead moves lots!

 

[Frothey]

i have, but lots of people on t'interweb thought i was trying to simulate a "three at once" take

 

[Bully]

And another thing.

In the original article Graham was commenting on there was that age old saying "the fish have wised up"........the inference being they remember.

Yet in the same breath we will defend angling from the idiots who try to ban it by saying fish only have a 2 second memory.....

Contradiction??

 

[preston96]

i have, but lots of people on t'interweb thought i was trying to simulate a "three at once" take

Well.....i didn't send pics of me bending down on the lawn a to funny sites! :wh

 

[Philip]

Have any of you that doubt the way a heavy lead WILL move before line moves through the lead ring ever tried it on the lawn with rods set up?......the lead moves lots!

I tried it Paul, in some shallow margins…from memory I think it was 7oz that was needed for the line to run with a right angled pull to a Shimano bait runner on the lightest setting and even with 7oz if I did not pull at a nice consistent speed the lead started to drag around. I think I recall Jim Gibbinson suggested about the same weight for that type of setup as well.

As you say most of the time the lead is going to move alot ! I think the situation would be even worse tight to a baitrunner which is probably not the best way to try and fish it but even with a light hanging bobbin the chances are a lead will still move about.

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The idea of having 10oz (i know it's a slight exaggeration) of weight so that the fish can pull the line without disturbing the weight, just baffles me and seems silly from a practical fishing point of view.

Yes your right Stealth…the idea of a true running rig is not that practical. Most of the time people are fishing a lead sliding on the line but its acting as a semi fixed setup. The only time I can think of when I was using what was probably working as a true running "lead" was on a small number of occasions when I have used large rocks as weights and tied a weak break off link to those....but that was for a very specific set of circumstances.