Safety lead Clips

[Cakey]

Dont know if Im allowed to put this on here but.......

Nash Tackle Booklet 2003 says on page 74

"the saftey bolt bead features a unique patented system of varible hooklink discharge.
if a carp snags the lead in weed and the hooklink swivel discharges prior to lead discharge,the carp is then able to run on a line passing through the tetheredbead/lead.
release of the lead prior to hooklink discharge,ensures the angler is not playing a carp via a snag."

these are the beads I use and am happy with,so now I think it would be only fair if someone at Nash Tackle was given a chance to respond,unforntunatly Im at work again all day ,so has one one else a chance of phoning them ?
two numbers on booklet are....
01702 233232
and fax 01702 233234

 

[Stuart Dennis]

Cake-ole, you back them so you call them! State and fight his case mate.

 

[Gary Knowles]

Cakey that's my point, Nash seems to be (in a way) agreeing these are CARP safety leads, that's all.

"if a CARP snags the lead in weed and the hooklink swivel discharges prior to lead discharge,the CARP is then able to run on a line passing through the tetheredbead/lead.
release of the lead prior to hooklink discharge,ensures the angler is not playing a CARP via a snag."

substitute the word carp for bream, roach, chub, small tench, etc..does it still apply ?

 

[Dave Rothery]

so....can we agree on a viable rig that we can use effectively at all ranges for carp that wont snag other fish? aren't "semi fixed" inlines just as bad?

 

[Mike Lee]

Gary - please forgive me but under what circumstances is a Roach, Chub, small Tench or Bream gonna snag, snap or otherwise 'steal' my endtackle from my mainline.

I can't understand the logic of your argument.

Sorry again Gary but a ROACH ?????

 

[Stuart Dennis]

Mike, considered yourself about to be shot down mate! Sorry Mike but I agree with Gary is just about to write....(foresight is a wonderful thing)

 

[Gary Knowles]

Mike - read the thread again, carefully, and if you still can't understand it I'll respond on Monday...I've had a bad week in work, am ready to hit the stella and Carp anglers do make me very, very weary.....

Heads, banging and brick walls spring to mind !!!!

 

[Stuart Dennis]

arghhh....I rest my case! and oi Knowlesy, any more about us carp anglers making you weary, wer'e start talking about what really makes you weary and what makes you pass out!!!! 'puff-puff'

 

[Stuart Dennis]

The only thing worse than a noddy fisherman slagging down carp (real) anglers, is a NORTHERN noddy fisherman.

Stands back and lights torch paper......

 

[Dave Rothery]

dont you mean rizzla?

 

[Gary Knowles]

I'd love to agree Stu but unfortunately I've never met a Northen Noddy Fishermen. Unless you mean north of the M25....met a few of them !

Have a good weekend guys...I'll catch up with this thread on Monday....

 

[Richard Farrow]

I look forward with interest to the fish in, as much of this thread is like "French" to me, and I got ungraded at CSE French many moons ago. Hopefully you lads will spare me a bit of your time and help educate a novice carp boy. No I don't want to be an instant carp boy and that relly is impossible as I've been coarse fishing for over 30 years.

 

[Les Clark]

Stu B,the nearest that I get to a simi bolt rig is,as Mike stated earlyer,lead swivel pushed over tail rubber,pushed half over hooklenght swivel,and I have a tail rubber on the hooklenght, comeing up to the other half of the swivel,making a boom,to lessen tangle`s.

 

[Budgie Burgess]

I dont think there is such a thing as a 100% safe rig.Not even the CV rig which I had a lot of involvment with.AS Dave says a ball of weed mucks up the mechanics of any rig!I feel it is more a case of using/fishing in a sensible manner.If you are risking cut offs on bars or snagging in weed or any other situation that may result in a line breakage then you must weigh up the odds.The decission on what are acceptable odds is an individual one.
BTW I feel a lot of you are missing the point.We are not talking about roach etc becoming tethered whilst you are carping but people using "Carp safety clips" as a "safe" rig for other species.Incidently ,regardless of wether they work as a safe release mechanism or not (IMO they dont) I still use them for some of my carp fishing as they are a handy way of attaching ther lead!

 

[Budgie Burgess]

In fact I would rather put my effort into ensuring that my line doesnt break in the first place rather than coming up with things in case it does.
Do you see what I am getting at? If you keep on cutting of on bars,cracking off on the cast or snagging up you are doing something wrong.

 

[Dave Rothery]

Thats kinda what i was (badly) trying to get at budgie (wahaay, we agree!!).

 

[Cakey]

Budgie you put...
"BTW I feel a lot of you are missing the point.We are not talking about roach etc becoming tethered whilst you are carping but people using "Carp safety clips" as a "safe" rig for other species.Incidently ,regardless of wether they work as a safe release mechanism or not (IMO they dont) I still use them for some of my carp fishing as they are a handy way of attaching ther lead!"

but thats not what its about lokk.....

Graham Marsden E-mail member
Posted: 28/08/03 09:24:00 AM
I think that's what Gary means though Cakey. They're sold as Safety Clips rather than Carp Safety Clips.

They may be aimed at carp, but how do stop the smaller/weaker species picking up baits that were meant for carp and then becoming tethered when they haven't got the strength to release the clip?


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Gary Knowles E-mail member
Posted: 28/08/03 09:55:00 AM
Graham - precicely.

They should be called 'Carp safety clips' or 'silver fish thether clips' both are an accurate description...

The answer to Grahams question is that we can't stop smaller, weaker fish from picking up the bait. So IMHO these clips should be banned unless the water is carp only....

 

[Cakey]

should be look not lokk sorry

 

[Cakey]

Richard
I talk double dutch but you can see what we are talking about HERE

although at the time I argued against the use of the lead swivel.
I also now use a smaller swivel(one on end of rig that goes up the bead) than normal so if my main line breaks the carp(or fish)can lose the lead and the tubing very easily.

 

[Budgie Burgess]

Sorry Cakey thats still not how I read it! If that was the case then I think we would all be talking rubbish!Who catches any 6" ROACH that when they smash the mainline after picking up the 20mm boily hair rigged on a size 6 hook become tethered?!!! If I am missing the point please explain!!!