No, because they don't do a try with a view to buy system, so I have to give em a wiggle, put a line through them in a shop and come to an opinion, they aren't the rod for me, but as we all know, everybody has they're own personal preferences on all tackle, what others choose to use is fine, as I am not naive enough to believe that I couldn't have caught most of my big barbel on A Darent Valley 1.5-1.75lb tc that cost peanuts, I just enjoy fishing with what I consider the best for the job, as no doubt you do Ray, paying for and using free spirit rods, I know lots of good anglers who use them, so I know they are more than OK....