Centrepins
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I much prefer a reel with spokes but I am not against a reel with solid drum, its easy to adapt takes seconds.
40yrs of fishing a centrepin I don't let such trivial things put me off.
A good reel is a good reel you don't have pay a fortune seen perfectly usable aerials go for £70 take 30 minutes to fettle.
And will out last you if looked after.
40yrs of fishing a centrepin I don't let such trivial things put me off.
A good reel is a good reel you don't have pay a fortune seen perfectly usable aerials go for £70 take 30 minutes to fettle.
And will out last you if looked after.
thecrow
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Just as an aside for those that think tackle from China is poor you may want to do some research into very well known tackle names such as Shimano, you might be surprised, are you sure you know where all your tackle comes from? 
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Just as an aside for those that think tackle from China is poor you may want to do some research into very well known tackle names such as Shimano, you might be surprised, are you sure you know where all your tackle comes from?
Yeah, Binka's Hardy rods came from China n'all...mine where made special over here in the UK
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thecrow
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Yeah, Binka's Hardy rods came from China n'all...mine where made special over here in the UK
Unsurprisingly there is a fair bit about Hardy tackle in China
mostly fly stuff.
sam vimes
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Just as an aside for those that think tackle from China is poor you may want to do some research into very well known tackle names such as Shimano, you might be surprised, are you sure you know where all your tackle comes from?
All the Shimano reels I've ever seen are made in their own factories Malaysia and Japan. I wouldn't be remotely surprised if the really cheap offerings were made in China.
Shimano rods can be made in China or Japan and I believe some might be from the Philippines and Taiwan. However, the lines can be blurry as "made in" can actually mean assembled in. Shimano also bought G-Loomis in the USA, so some blanks might actually be made in the USA.
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If in doubt, assume it is made in China, it's a fairly safe bet with regards to fishing gear. 20%+ of all manufactured goods are made in China, with the USA trailing in second at around 17%. The UK is down at around 2%.
Ray Daywalker Clarke
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I didn't say that reels or anything else made in china is rubbish, just made it clear to FM members where the reel was made and it had two bearings.
Most of the tackle we use is made in china, well know rods such as Free spirit are made in china, its only the whipping that is done here.
There are many anglers who use the Nash ready made hook lengths, all made in china.
The Mad Fish at £99.99 on line or £89.99 in the shops, isn't in the cheap section of pins. I wonder how some also thing, just by looking at the reel that it must be rubbish, yet haven't spun, held or even seen one in the flesh. Good to see that the shops are cheaper than on line for once.
As i said before, I spun the reel, no wobble, felt a nice weight, didn't like the clutch knob on the back. This reel can only be judged by the test of time. Some will like it, some will not, just like any other bit of fishing gear. There is some so called top end gear that I wouldn't pay half the price, even when it's in a 50% discount sale :wh.
Just because someone pays £250 or £500 for a Pin, or a rod, doesn't mean it's the bee's knee's. It doesn't mean your catch more fish either, like some think. Good anglers will catch no matter what tackle they use.
Most of the tackle we use is made in china, well know rods such as Free spirit are made in china, its only the whipping that is done here.
There are many anglers who use the Nash ready made hook lengths, all made in china.
The Mad Fish at £99.99 on line or £89.99 in the shops, isn't in the cheap section of pins. I wonder how some also thing, just by looking at the reel that it must be rubbish, yet haven't spun, held or even seen one in the flesh. Good to see that the shops are cheaper than on line for once.
As i said before, I spun the reel, no wobble, felt a nice weight, didn't like the clutch knob on the back. This reel can only be judged by the test of time. Some will like it, some will not, just like any other bit of fishing gear. There is some so called top end gear that I wouldn't pay half the price, even when it's in a 50% discount sale :wh.
Just because someone pays £250 or £500 for a Pin, or a rod, doesn't mean it's the bee's knee's. It doesn't mean your catch more fish either, like some think. Good anglers will catch no matter what tackle they use.
thecrow
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Ray I never said you did my post was a generalisation about those that think Chinese tackle is rubbish the thread has moved on a bit since the madfish reel was mentioned.
barbelboi
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Just as an aside for those that think tackle from China is poor you may want to do some research into very well known tackle names such as Shimano, you might be surprised, are you sure you know where all your tackle comes from?
Not surprised at all, all mine were made in Japan and are still in first class condition after many years of wear......
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Not surprised at all, all mine were made in Japan and are still in first class condition after many years of wear......
Daiwa sensor's made in Japan
mikench
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Daiwa sensor's made in Japan
Mezamashii Ian!
nhs service
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That Browning Revolver is gorgeous. I couldn't fish with it, I would spend all my time admiring and appreciating it rather than watching the float.
Aesthetics are subjective obviously, I don't think the Rapidex and Trudex are particularly pretty reels, a bit basic, utilitarian, perhaps uniquely British, the sort of thing the great Sir John Millls would be doing a spot of fishing with in a film before someone turned up to ask him if he wouldn't mind winning WW2.
They certainly evoke that Mr Crabtree, pipe smoke, tweed, wicker and cane vibe, yet the joy in them is that they are still useful today, in the appreciation of the engineering and build quality, in the instinctive knowledge they are never going to let you down.
Changing subject to the Chinese reels, I absolutely understand that computers can achieve tolerances beyond human ken. The relevant point is on the £30 specials they don't.
You don't have to believe me, click on an image of one and use the magnifier to check out the gap between the spool and backplate.
I'm fully prepared to accept in terms of skill I'm a Friday afternoon factory second, but I insist the line will be constantly getting behind the spool and getting gnarled around the pin and ratchet. And trust me on this one, that gets old very,very quickly.
All the best.
Aesthetics are subjective obviously, I don't think the Rapidex and Trudex are particularly pretty reels, a bit basic, utilitarian, perhaps uniquely British, the sort of thing the great Sir John Millls would be doing a spot of fishing with in a film before someone turned up to ask him if he wouldn't mind winning WW2.
They certainly evoke that Mr Crabtree, pipe smoke, tweed, wicker and cane vibe, yet the joy in them is that they are still useful today, in the appreciation of the engineering and build quality, in the instinctive knowledge they are never going to let you down.
Changing subject to the Chinese reels, I absolutely understand that computers can achieve tolerances beyond human ken. The relevant point is on the £30 specials they don't.
You don't have to believe me, click on an image of one and use the magnifier to check out the gap between the spool and backplate.
I'm fully prepared to accept in terms of skill I'm a Friday afternoon factory second, but I insist the line will be constantly getting behind the spool and getting gnarled around the pin and ratchet. And trust me on this one, that gets old very,very quickly.
All the best.
Centrepins still have a use in today's angling. Like a split cane rod though, any problems or damage will quickly show up.
Regarding the cheap ones, totally agree, had one used it around four times.
With ten pound bs for ledgering you might get away with it.
Tweed, cane and pipes probably have less place, occasionally I see people dressed in tweed fishing.
Regarding the cheap ones, totally agree, had one used it around four times.
With ten pound bs for ledgering you might get away with it.
Tweed, cane and pipes probably have less place, occasionally I see people dressed in tweed fishing.
seth49
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I use an old Trudex pin a lot, it's the one I use on a ten foot float rod for margin fishing for crucians etc, it's a good old reel, well made and with the line guide, and proper drum instead of the line pins, it's easy to use, and the ratchet is not to noisy either.
On the other hand, I have one of the Matt Hayes limited edition ones, the gold coloured one, think there was a run of five hundred of these made, the tolerances are fine, it seems well made,now it's run in it will spin for a good three minutes, certainly a good user reel, use it on a light carp rod, fished as a sleeper set up in the margins for carp, don't need an alarm on this rod, the ratchet is that loud everybody knows if I get a run.
So old or new they still have a place in today's fishing,not getting rid of my Shimano baitrunners though, still plenty of work for them.
On the other hand, I have one of the Matt Hayes limited edition ones, the gold coloured one, think there was a run of five hundred of these made, the tolerances are fine, it seems well made,now it's run in it will spin for a good three minutes, certainly a good user reel, use it on a light carp rod, fished as a sleeper set up in the margins for carp, don't need an alarm on this rod, the ratchet is that loud everybody knows if I get a run.
So old or new they still have a place in today's fishing,not getting rid of my Shimano baitrunners though, still plenty of work for them.
thecrow
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Are you saying this doesn't happen on more expensive reels?
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I've never had it happen with a Match Aerial, Rapidex, Trudex and a Swallow. It happened once with an Adcock Stanton but I was using 1.7lb line.
Yet to use the Sheffield but judging from the tolerances and feedback from other anglers on the forums I doubt it will be a problem.
Static fishing the Chinese reels may be o.k., never used one so I'm not qualified to comment.
Trotting however, I don't need to use one, I know that unlike true pins, which have the almost supernatural ability to give line precisely as is needed, bearing pins can do the opposite and run faster than the line is taken out. The line forms a loop between the reel and first ring and best case scenario on the better reels gets wrapped around the reel handle.
Worst case scenario is the line gathers in loose coils around the spool and that's when it can get behind the backplate.
Anyone brave enough can test this, give the reel a little spin with the line going out, rather than going on to the spool. Birds nests, overruns and handle wrap ensues. But on the better reels it doesn't get behind the backplate.
It does on the cheap ones, and that's going to happen when trotting or casting. A lot.
All the best.
Yet to use the Sheffield but judging from the tolerances and feedback from other anglers on the forums I doubt it will be a problem.
Static fishing the Chinese reels may be o.k., never used one so I'm not qualified to comment.
Trotting however, I don't need to use one, I know that unlike true pins, which have the almost supernatural ability to give line precisely as is needed, bearing pins can do the opposite and run faster than the line is taken out. The line forms a loop between the reel and first ring and best case scenario on the better reels gets wrapped around the reel handle.
Worst case scenario is the line gathers in loose coils around the spool and that's when it can get behind the backplate.
Anyone brave enough can test this, give the reel a little spin with the line going out, rather than going on to the spool. Birds nests, overruns and handle wrap ensues. But on the better reels it doesn't get behind the backplate.
It does on the cheap ones, and that's going to happen when trotting or casting. A lot.
All the best.
thecrow
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How can you form the opinion you have of them if you have never used one?
I have seen line go behind on a very expensive centrepin so its a problem that all centrepins can have and this wasn't with fine line, how can this happen if a line guard is fitted.
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How do you know this? you have no experience of cheaper reels, this is starting to sound like centrepin snobbery
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How do you know this? you have no experience of cheaper reels, this is starting to sound like centrepin snobbery
I wouldn't say that, it's just a plain fact that the larger the gap between the spool and backplate the more chance it will allow line between the two.
mikench
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One could easily be put off by centre pins if you read all the posts. I am just going to put some good line on mine(Sensor) and head off for the river and give it a go. I cannot make more of a hash of it than I have already done on several occasions . I will look for a deserted swim
thecrow
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Absolutely agree Ian but the problem is not found just on cheaper reels, does a line guard help alleviate this problem ?
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I have done as you suggested looking at a Kingpin Regal Gold while at the same time I have my recently acquired TFG Classic by me and comparing the 2 there is very little difference. also did it with a Richard Carter Arial Gem same result.
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Isnt that easily sorted by the use of a thicker oil the same as slow pins can be sorted by the use of thinner?
If cheaper pins are to free spinning why when more expensive reels are being sold is the time it will spin always used as a selling point, you know the sort of thing spins for 3 weeks just by blowing on it
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