Does Bob Nudd have a brain at all?

[Chris Bishop]

I love my pike fishing and I'm proud to belong to a club which has campaigned against this kind of ignorance for 30 years.

I'm also confident we'll win the day, because I know how much people with enough intelligence to see the bigger picture care about it.

 

[CAT]

Dont know if the two are connected but the Bob Nudd Pike Priest goes on sale next week.

There calling it the "Nudder"

A quick smack with the Nudder and Bobs your uncle.




What ever next!

 

[Bill Cox]

As much as i agree bob's dropped a boo boo i agree with Mcwallet, the more we whip ourselves into a frenzy about this the more ammo we supply to the anti's.

 

[Les Clark]

Sorry Bill but i disagree ,Bob Nudd in his statement ,be it true or false has allready given plenty of ammo to the antis and if we sat back and just let it go without any debate then we would be giveing the antis even more ammo .

 

[honslow]

What antis? Seen any recently? Other than the idiots who dropped into a trout fishery in Lancashire solely because they got thrown off the local moor by the police?
The police have arrested most of the violent animal rights activists over the last few years. We've more to fear from wishy washy politically correct liberals than we have dedicated antis these days!
Debate like this is healthy - it allows the majority view to prevail and people like Bob to see the light (hopefully!).

 

[Lee Swords]

I agree with Greg we have more to fear from the type of people that would stop angling on a water to protect a rare orchid or breeding water voles.

Although a healthy respect of our surroundings isn't a bad thing.

There are still a few ALF type nutters on the loose though.

 

[Les Clark]

Whether or not there are antis out there is another debate but when the public veiw of anglers seems to be a bunch of loons who kill the fish that they catch anyway ,we need to voice our opinion strongly against the like of Bob Nudd .

 

[Wolfman Woody]

I shall ignore Eric Edwards comments as they come across as being so damned rude and insulting. Seems he has some attitude.

Chris - Yes we did get a section 30 to remove them. The pond we put them in was at that time quite safe and well sectioned off until the massive floods in 2003 when the Thames was suddenly one mile wide. Even Noah couldn't have envisaged that.

My comparison with pike and cormorants is that they both eat fish, but small pike in particular eat small fish. And when there are a lot of them, they are unlikely to start eating each other and therefore regulate themselves.

What we had as a problem was that the pike never got any bigger than 6 lbs. They would eat other pike upt to 2 lbs, but they also restricted the other fish, other than tench, from growing to anything over 4-6 ozs.

In a situation where all stock of fish are depleted including pike, the small pike will multiply first and become the greater predator. It will take maybe 8 - 10 years before any get to a size where they will live more happily off killing other jack pike. In which time, we were spending thousands of pounds feeding them with fish introductions to balance out the water.

Now unless you have a degree in marine biology or you know the particular water I speak of very well, I suggest you keep your counsel. We examined the situation very carefully and took the best advice from everyone concerned. The fish were placed into a pond, only yards away, that we were not allowed to fish and could well have thrived



I just have one question for eveyone - why is it that in angling circles, anyone that disagrees with you is a complete idiot, moron, or cretin? You same people are always the first to bleet about having the freedom of speech and the right to express an opinion. Ah, so long as it doesn't conflict with yours.....

 

[captain carrott]

You same people are always the first to bleet about having the freedom of speech and the right to express an opinion. Ah, so long as it doesn't conflict with yours.....

far from it jeff but when some one says some thing totally idiotic, then they are a moron in my opinion.

his views are proven to have detrimental effect on fish stocks. of all types of fish.

 

[Wolfman Woody]

"but when some one says some thing totally idiotic, "


QED! Thank you for YOUR opinion Jason.

 

[Les Clark]

Sorry Woody but i have to disagree with you on your question but that doesn`t make you complete idiot ,moron or cretin ,now if you were Baz.......

 

[Les Clark]

Only kidding Baz .

 

[captain carrott]

i don't think you are a moron jeff, and i totally disagree with you on bob nudds moronic comments.

though i do find it strange that you are trying to defend the indefensible.

 

[Lee Swords]

I see your point Woody but I have to disagree

Because you are comparing apples with oranges

The Soar,Avon and Nene are all healthy balanced environs that hold a wide spectrum of species upto specimen weight

Bob wants to remove the predators not because they are causing a problem with the health of the bio-masse but as a pre-emptive measure to protect future matchfishing sport.

 

[Paul Christie]

"his views are proven to have detrimental effect on fish stocks. of all types of fish"

On what are you basing that statement Jason?

So far we've heard that there's a small area in Yorkshire, where anglers closely related to neanderthol man, kill every pike they come across. If that's what they already do anyway there, how's Bob's statement going to make any difference?

I just think this is a mountain being made out of a molehill.

 

[Lee Swords]

Following on from my previos posting

That makes him (Bob)an idiotic short sighted moron....

An idiotic short sighted moron that is one of my all time heroes so for me the words jarr in my throat and make me want to gag.

yet it has to be said, his comments cannot go unchallenged!

I had a heated disagreemnet with one of my company dirctors in regards to culling Cormorants, Herons and Mergansers. He would not accept a difference between the species...The argument raged for an hour or more and my chance of further career advancement teetered on a knife edge.

but I won

I had a simmilar battle over eel recruitment and stocks...The bloke did not even know about the Sargasso sea part of the cycle and our eels most likely being the offspring of American eels as the distance to the Sargasso is beyond the distance that a British eel could manage on its reserves of body fat.

Ignorance has to be met head on...and Bobs comments were ignorant

Steady on with the Neanderthaal comments chapppie! :O)

 

[Ron 'The Hat' Clay (ACA-Life Member)]

I spent 3 years fishing the Warks Avon, on and off - 1995 to 1998. Yes it does have a large population of middling pike, and yes I often had a roach or two nicked off my hook by pike.

But it never worried me unduly because during the period I fished that river, I had some lovely roach, perch, barbel, chub and dace from it. And plenty of pike on lures and flies.

All I can say to Bob Nudd is: "Hey Bob, welcome to the real world of a natural waterway. If you don't want pike in your swim, go back to your muddy puddles."

 

[captain carrott]

"his views are proven to have detrimental effect on fish stocks. of all types of fish"

On what are you basing that statement Jason?

findings i read in published scientific research papers paul,

what are you basing your comments on have you read any papers on the subject or just joining in with no grounding on the subject.

 

[Wolfman Woody]

"I spent 3 years fishing the Warks Avon, on and off - 1995 to 1998."

8 to 11 years ago Ron? Is it not reasonable that a river, or certain sections of it, can change in that time? Ours has, so why not the Avon. I'm sure the barbel weren't as big then either, or shouldn't they change?


I am NOT saying that Bob Nudd is correct in what he says, but then again, I'm not saying he's entirely wrong. He is entitled to express an opinion and for all "SENSIBLE" anglers to either take it on board or argue "Sensibly" against it. But to call a man with more fishing knowledge in his finger tips than most of us have in our brains, a moron or idiot is beyond the bounds of decent behaviour.

I would also point out that in the past you have all asked "why can't we all pull together?" Is it just possible that when someone raises a point to be discussed, even the culling or removal of pike, you all go apesh!t and call the man a moron?

I just don't know what most of you want except to say that you make one hell of a fuss on here, but when it comes to the hard grind of attending fisheries meetings, running clubs, getting involved with groups and being elected to councils and RFERACs - you all seem to find hiding holes. "Let some other fool do it" is fast becomming the motto of angling

 

[Lee Swords]

I'm a river Don trustee.
I attend meetings
I don't hide

all the holes were full

;o)