nicepix
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Those British people who voted Conservative in 1987.
Hitting the Eastern European problem head on, morality v’s self interest?
Those British people who voted Conservative in 1987.
wes79
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Why are the police considered a "force" ? And who do they work for?
Can politicians be locked up (by police men) for putting peoples lives in danger if you have a (media) statement to prove guilt?
(EDIT: Sarah Champion got in again! How was that even possible given her statements on who was to blame?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooLu6KL3YOA
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Ok, thanks nicepix, wasn't sure.
Were the laws for treason still applicable in the UK in 1987?
I might be wrong on this but I believe the death penalty for treason was removed in 1998 when the Human Rights Act came in to force.
Edit: After a bit of digging I found this:
[political comments deleted by moderator - the rules here are quite simple only angling-related politics are allowed]
So could we perhaps ask the EU what they think we should do about the EE thing? Petition our MEP?
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hyperdrive
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The Maastricht treaty signed by John Major in 1992 was when a lot of power was handed to Brussels, Thatcher had resisted, Kinnock would have had us using the Euro and scrapped the pound. John Major did opt out of the social chapter of the Maastricht treaty though.
Tony Blair signed up to the social chapter when he was elected, this is when immigration soared, so he's the man to blame for what's being talked about here.
As for integration, this would only happen with small numbers, that's human nature. If there was only one or two foriegn nationals in your town they would be fully integrated into the local community. When there are larger numbers they will always seek each other out and form their own community.
You only have to go to Spain to see the Brit communities that have formed over there, maybe the Spanish don't like that. If you, I or anyone else moved to a country that had differing cultures, customs, lifestyle etc. and there were a number of other Brits there you would more than likely settle near them and they would become your immediate friends for socialising. Only if you move to somewhere that is very similar to home, language, lyfestyle, beliefs etc will you integrate, such as a Brit moving to Australia or the USA or vice versa.
Tony Blair signed up to the social chapter when he was elected, this is when immigration soared, so he's the man to blame for what's being talked about here.
As for integration, this would only happen with small numbers, that's human nature. If there was only one or two foriegn nationals in your town they would be fully integrated into the local community. When there are larger numbers they will always seek each other out and form their own community.
You only have to go to Spain to see the Brit communities that have formed over there, maybe the Spanish don't like that. If you, I or anyone else moved to a country that had differing cultures, customs, lifestyle etc. and there were a number of other Brits there you would more than likely settle near them and they would become your immediate friends for socialising. Only if you move to somewhere that is very similar to home, language, lyfestyle, beliefs etc will you integrate, such as a Brit moving to Australia or the USA or vice versa.
My goodness, are you suggesting that there exists any form of similarity between English and Australian Strine?
Strewth mate . . . . . . .
nicepix
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Totally agree. And Teflon Tone is the only significant person who has failed to apologise for the open door immigration policy.
As for the British ghettos in foreign lands many people either do not understand or want to accept that it is perfectly natural for people of the same race or religion to band together when faced with uncertainty. The Dordogne is known as 'Little Britain' or 'Dordogneshire' owning to the number of Brits living there. Most of them live in hamlets or villages exclusively populated by Brits. Not a French neighbour for miles. The same applies to Cyprus, Spain and other countries where large numbers of ex-pats have chosen to live. And some of those ex-pats choose not to obey local laws and customs. Over here for example there are thousands of unlicenced and untested UK registered cars and vans running about. Same goes for Spain. In Cyprus it is drink driving.
And just to close any window of opportunity that certain people might like to exploit; we live in a village that is overwhelmingly populated by French, with French neighbours and own French registered vehicles
Just like to point out and I don't think its been said
Educating on catch a release for the eastern Europeans "could it be a waste of time" ?
The main ones responsible for removing "lots" of fish from our waters (not all)
do not use conventional rod and line tactics.
There is those that fish with rods( like you and I) and others which pose a more serious threat . Who think nothing of netting a river or using bleach.
These are the main culprits and prove more difficult to catch and eradicate.
Just criminals not interested in the sport of angling.
Educating on catch a release for the eastern Europeans "could it be a waste of time" ?
The main ones responsible for removing "lots" of fish from our waters (not all)
do not use conventional rod and line tactics.
There is those that fish with rods( like you and I) and others which pose a more serious threat . Who think nothing of netting a river or using bleach.
These are the main culprits and prove more difficult to catch and eradicate.
Just criminals not interested in the sport of angling.
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The thing is in the last two weeks I met my brothers Polish cleaner, some of my brother in laws polish builders who he employs because he's tried English and he lost a lot of money , the bloke who cut my hair was Iraqi (the best and cheapest in town), the people I bought my cigs and papers from are Indian, on Sunday last the only cig shop I could find open was foreign, all the English ones were shut, I saw my Doctor who is Dutch, I bought some veg from a new green grocers in the town who were of some Arabic origin because it was really nice cheap veg, I took my mates computer to a repair shop and the bloke was eastern European, I nearly bought some second hand fishing gear from a junk shop run by Afghanistan's who I have bought from before.
All hard working, tax paying, law abiding individuals (well with a bit of licence maybe with that statement). All nice people, in conversations, they were mainly fleeing dire situations, wanting to learn English, and better themselves. And yesterday a little family of two girls with a Muslim mother on their way to school waved at me and I waved back. The little girls were laughing and giggling away and I thought good luck to you. Nice to see some happy faces.
A lot of my English friends are miserable depressed tw*ts, never smile, continually moan, and living on benefits of some sort or other and do nothing all day. And come to think of it, all the beggars I met in those two weeks were definitely British.
I do get confused sometimes.!
I don't know if any of these immigrants, Eu, none Eu , illegal or otherwise, would want to integrate more, would be interested in any legal fishing. Unlikely I agree, and it would probably not stop illegal taking of fish if they did but, it might help. And its obvious there are too many of them. But, I still think whatever political future awaits them, there will still be a big community of them here in 50 years time. Some sort of effort in integrating them into our angling customs might be worth a longer term policy alongside the full use of the law.
All hard working, tax paying, law abiding individuals (well with a bit of licence maybe with that statement). All nice people, in conversations, they were mainly fleeing dire situations, wanting to learn English, and better themselves. And yesterday a little family of two girls with a Muslim mother on their way to school waved at me and I waved back. The little girls were laughing and giggling away and I thought good luck to you. Nice to see some happy faces.
A lot of my English friends are miserable depressed tw*ts, never smile, continually moan, and living on benefits of some sort or other and do nothing all day. And come to think of it, all the beggars I met in those two weeks were definitely British.
I do get confused sometimes.!
I don't know if any of these immigrants, Eu, none Eu , illegal or otherwise, would want to integrate more, would be interested in any legal fishing. Unlikely I agree, and it would probably not stop illegal taking of fish if they did but, it might help. And its obvious there are too many of them. But, I still think whatever political future awaits them, there will still be a big community of them here in 50 years time. Some sort of effort in integrating them into our angling customs might be worth a longer term policy alongside the full use of the law.
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Aussie Bob
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Never heard anyone in Australia under the age of 50 say strewth probably died out with Paul Hogan ...
Fair dinkum is still around , No worries etc. Haven't heard anyone called Bruce for a while either....
Never heard anyone in Australia under the age of 50 say strewth probably died out with Paul Hogan ...
Bit like the Yanks I guess....we don't all walk around in top hats or bowler hats....only Posh Paul???
Its a sad state Mark I guess. Some people are just more prepared to work for less or take a chance
To many work dodgers and benefit cheats and home grown ones as well, its gone on for to long,became a life style disgraceful
I just hope there paying taxes
We could do without another Greece.
To many work dodgers and benefit cheats and home grown ones as well, its gone on for to long,became a life style disgraceful
I just hope there paying taxes
We could do without another Greece.
Shane Warne still uses "strewth" when commentating on the Circket, well, over here he does . . . . . .
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Just a quick observation of the British abroad, They generally fall into three categories. There are the pensioners who move overseas for economic reasons, i.e. the final salary pension goes a lot further in some countries than it does over here and the further south you travel the cheaper your heating bills are. The flip side of that is they are putting a tremendous burden on the health care systems of their adopted countries.
The second category are the poor misguided fools who after a lifetime of toil in someone elses factory and no business experience receive a legacy or some other lump sum and after a couple of weeks in the sun decide this is the life for me and sink everything into some run down old bar/cafe/restaurant in an area where all the hotels have gone self catering and the local economy is dying. After a couple of years watching the bank balance go from a healthy black to a frightening red they pack up and head home for a life on benefits as they are often to old to find employment.
The third category are the youngsters who by and large are transient, you find them all over the world working in bars or offering you a scratch card on the street inviting you to a timeshare presentation, these are the equivalent of our EE migrants and the locals in the countries where they reside offer the same accusations at them as we do to our transient migrants, "they are taking all the jobs, they're always drunk, they ignore the laws etc, etc, etc".
Immigration is a fact of life and always has been, it's the big mixing pot, it keeps things moving and improves the gene pool, it's human nature to look at what is around the next corner, over the next hill, the other side of the river, the only difference now is instead of checking out the next village as we did when people relied on foot power to get around we now have jets and can check out the next continent.
Unless the oil runs out, which seems unlikely, it will be going on long after we are all in our boxes so we may as well learn to live with it.
The second category are the poor misguided fools who after a lifetime of toil in someone elses factory and no business experience receive a legacy or some other lump sum and after a couple of weeks in the sun decide this is the life for me and sink everything into some run down old bar/cafe/restaurant in an area where all the hotels have gone self catering and the local economy is dying. After a couple of years watching the bank balance go from a healthy black to a frightening red they pack up and head home for a life on benefits as they are often to old to find employment.
The third category are the youngsters who by and large are transient, you find them all over the world working in bars or offering you a scratch card on the street inviting you to a timeshare presentation, these are the equivalent of our EE migrants and the locals in the countries where they reside offer the same accusations at them as we do to our transient migrants, "they are taking all the jobs, they're always drunk, they ignore the laws etc, etc, etc".
Immigration is a fact of life and always has been, it's the big mixing pot, it keeps things moving and improves the gene pool, it's human nature to look at what is around the next corner, over the next hill, the other side of the river, the only difference now is instead of checking out the next village as we did when people relied on foot power to get around we now have jets and can check out the next continent.
Unless the oil runs out, which seems unlikely, it will be going on long after we are all in our boxes so we may as well learn to live with it.
nicepix
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I believe that pensioners, that is those who receive the UK State Old Age Pension who receive medical treatment in EU countries are funded by the UK Government. There is an arrangement whereby any health costs incurred by the host country are reimbursed by the UK.
The health system is different in France to the UK in many respects. For one you are obligated by law to have some sort of secondary health cover over and above the basic. We are covered for health care by my tax contributions, but we still have to jointly pay a top up insurance of around €200 a month to give a higher level of cover. If I hadn't set up in work that contribution would have been around €2,000 to €3,000 per annum each.
Romanians and the like who set up camp in a caravan or beg social housing are given 6 months to sort out some provable income and paid health care or are summarily sent on their way. No easy access to the health system or benefits. Those have to be earned via a record of paid employment and tax contributions.
Regards your examples of why Brits go abroad; there is a category 1A - a better quality of life. Other than the lower cost of housing day to day living costs are about the same.
The health system is different in France to the UK in many respects. For one you are obligated by law to have some sort of secondary health cover over and above the basic. We are covered for health care by my tax contributions, but we still have to jointly pay a top up insurance of around €200 a month to give a higher level of cover. If I hadn't set up in work that contribution would have been around €2,000 to €3,000 per annum each.
Romanians and the like who set up camp in a caravan or beg social housing are given 6 months to sort out some provable income and paid health care or are summarily sent on their way. No easy access to the health system or benefits. Those have to be earned via a record of paid employment and tax contributions.
Regards your examples of why Brits go abroad; there is a category 1A - a better quality of life. Other than the lower cost of housing day to day living costs are about the same.
wes79
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How about paying the EA for a fishing license and all proceeds go towards buying immigrants fish to eat, so anyone who wishes to keep the fishing pastime, can still buy a license knowing he/she might still get to catch a wild fish from a River or Lake in the UK, while the immigrants get to eat their fill of fish also.
Let wild fish stocks fight it out with nature and us who belong to the "catch and release" crew (between June & March the next year) and all EA breeding projects can devote servicing our smiling happy friends who come over to say "hello" and better what we are not allowed to ourselves.
Also as has been mentioned, that if we all "did our bit" what incentive does the EA have to do theirs?
Well chaps, I thought about that too,
Why not just ask or beg the EU to allow us to make our (their's) EA a voluntary organization from top to bottom (it would quickly winnow out the wheat from the chaff with regards to all out commitment) doing it for the love of it, and, every licensee would get a EA uniform and a bit of government funded training (or just simply funded by proxy off of the taxation of genuinely productive people liKe you and me), so the EA could become made up of mostly retired people or people with lots of money AND time to spare or unemployed people whose incentive to work is constantly being abused by statute.
It would help them show other people that they fill their spare time correctly, even politically correctly and as an added brucie bonus, make the CV shine a bit more to help secure even more voluntary work (its all about the CV) as anything productive (like growing food or making building materials can be out sourced internationally to the lowest bidder, that way quality can keep being raised as it is now until it punches its way through the clouds).
Lets face it guys, taking line and other peoples rubbish home is pretty much standard for us now, I never go fishing without a couple of carrier bags scrunched into one or two pockets somewhere, dumping what everyone has kindly left for me to look after until I find a wheelie bin or public bin that doesn't already looked full.
I've found and destroyed night lines on one of my local rivers more than once now, removed a few wood fires that have been built but not yet set a lite, perhaps ready for the nights fish as they were right next to the river bank.
markg, most of the homeless people I've worked with, have mental health problems or at best are at a real social disadvantage as they are not mentally fit for employment or have anything the state can exploit in some way, generally they are ignored and left to be forgotten about or become the focal point of the saturday town shop chancing it out day by day, I've been homeless myself, I know what that's like.
Many of the homeless have served in the armed forces and after experiencing what they have and the mental incubation period that most humans can relate to when witnessing "stuff", eventually come to learn that the deprogramming given to them after being a grunt for the politicos consists of a piece of paper and a smile, rendering them virtually unready for the fruits of their hard work.
You can find out a lot about any country just by how they treat the most impoverished, they generally get abused and so eventually end up abusing themselves.
That's where we come in.
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Also won't be included in the national curriculum either.
Ain't that the truth Peter?!!
[truth or otherwise Wes, only Angling-related politics are allowable here on FM]
It had everything to do with how we got to the point where we need to now debate the symptoms of immigration policy, a foundation that was laid by a treasonous government led by Ted, also explaining how successive governments build upon the former with incremental strategies while putting political standpoints aside for a shared future, including the birth of political correctness (buffering the known causes of concern in debates using cause and effect), it reaches into fishing (angling) and pretty much everything else to.
Why is that so hard to understand this and why would a fishing forum put rules before the truth?
Does the truth fear scrutiny all of a sudden and now need protecting with PC?
Only asking.
yea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVmC0ktznNo
Let wild fish stocks fight it out with nature and us who belong to the "catch and release" crew (between June & March the next year) and all EA breeding projects can devote servicing our smiling happy friends who come over to say "hello" and better what we are not allowed to ourselves.
Also as has been mentioned, that if we all "did our bit" what incentive does the EA have to do theirs?
Well chaps, I thought about that too,
Why not just ask or beg the EU to allow us to make our (their's) EA a voluntary organization from top to bottom (it would quickly winnow out the wheat from the chaff with regards to all out commitment) doing it for the love of it, and, every licensee would get a EA uniform and a bit of government funded training (or just simply funded by proxy off of the taxation of genuinely productive people liKe you and me), so the EA could become made up of mostly retired people or people with lots of money AND time to spare or unemployed people whose incentive to work is constantly being abused by statute.
It would help them show other people that they fill their spare time correctly, even politically correctly and as an added brucie bonus, make the CV shine a bit more to help secure even more voluntary work (its all about the CV) as anything productive (like growing food or making building materials can be out sourced internationally to the lowest bidder, that way quality can keep being raised as it is now until it punches its way through the clouds).
Lets face it guys, taking line and other peoples rubbish home is pretty much standard for us now, I never go fishing without a couple of carrier bags scrunched into one or two pockets somewhere, dumping what everyone has kindly left for me to look after until I find a wheelie bin or public bin that doesn't already looked full.
I've found and destroyed night lines on one of my local rivers more than once now, removed a few wood fires that have been built but not yet set a lite, perhaps ready for the nights fish as they were right next to the river bank.
markg, most of the homeless people I've worked with, have mental health problems or at best are at a real social disadvantage as they are not mentally fit for employment or have anything the state can exploit in some way, generally they are ignored and left to be forgotten about or become the focal point of the saturday town shop chancing it out day by day, I've been homeless myself, I know what that's like.
Many of the homeless have served in the armed forces and after experiencing what they have and the mental incubation period that most humans can relate to when witnessing "stuff", eventually come to learn that the deprogramming given to them after being a grunt for the politicos consists of a piece of paper and a smile, rendering them virtually unready for the fruits of their hard work.
You can find out a lot about any country just by how they treat the most impoverished, they generally get abused and so eventually end up abusing themselves.
That's where we come in.
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Also won't be included in the national curriculum either.
Ain't that the truth Peter?!!
[truth or otherwise Wes, only Angling-related politics are allowable here on FM]
It had everything to do with how we got to the point where we need to now debate the symptoms of immigration policy, a foundation that was laid by a treasonous government led by Ted, also explaining how successive governments build upon the former with incremental strategies while putting political standpoints aside for a shared future, including the birth of political correctness (buffering the known causes of concern in debates using cause and effect), it reaches into fishing (angling) and pretty much everything else to.
Why is that so hard to understand this and why would a fishing forum put rules before the truth?
Does the truth fear scrutiny all of a sudden and now need protecting with PC?
Only asking.
yea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVmC0ktznNo
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wes79
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hi Mark, wasn't trying to be funny with you pal, just wanted to add to what you said. we all need to have that brew now, perhaps
I'm out.
Thanks Peter, you edited my post and left the rest of my comment without its coat in the rain. Should I be thanking you for that? (genuinely unsure).
I only mentioned Ted Heath because it was left out of the list of traitors, besides that I was asking if it might be a good idea to ask his little baby/legacy for an answer to the EE problem, they (the EU) dictate to us already don't they? Ted started it, that was all, or did the details about treason that were evidently plucked out (outside of the said Angling-politics context) offend someone?
Sorry guys, my bad.
Anyway, nice chatting/debating with you guy's and thanks for the pm's chaps, roll on June 16th! Have a good one.
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nicepix
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Heath took us into a Common Market. Not the European Union. Different thing altogether. No one back then foresaw that a sensible trading agreement would morph into an overbearing super state.
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mg: yeah ok, if you say so and that they didn't and that it wasn't treason also.
bye nicepix, enjoy the future & your fishing don't let ya brew go cold pal.
You can have the last word.
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mg: yeah ok, if you say so and that they didn't and that it wasn't treason also.bye nicepix, enjoy the future & your fishing
don't let ya brew go cold pal.You can have the last word.
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laguna
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Meanwhile.... another 5 years of the same old, nothing changes.... same problems, same solutions from the same dont-give-a-hoot, cant do a thing about it crowd.