New rod required

[@Clive]

To be fair RMNDIL has asked questions and raised points that you have avoided answering. Myself I am wondering what your definition of 'slave' is? As I read it the issue of slave labour mainly concerns ethnic minorities and children of an age that used to work in heavy industries in the lifetime of our parents.

 

[dalesman]

Wow I only asked about new rod

 

[silvers]

Have you even been to China? And what was it about my last answer that you didn't understand?

While missing the actual point, you pick up on irrelevant details (like I said, the actual population of China wasn't important to the argument, likewise the workforce demographic of Chinese rod factories) in the perverse hope that by discrediting others you prove how clever you are. This can't hide the comical fact that your comments betray a lack of comprehension - perhaps you're only masquerading as someone intelligent.

This reminds me of the thread on maggotdrowners forum where MickTheChippy (god rest his soul) had a pop at carpmagic about top end match fishing … little realising that said carpmagic was in fact Steve Ringer

. To be fair, they both took it in good heart

 

[silvers]

Wow I only asked about new rod

Have a great time enjoying the preston! It looks like someone finally bought that cadence as well …

 

[RMNDIL]

Have you even been to China? And what was it about my last answer that you didn't understand?

While missing the actual point, you pick up on irrelevant details (like I said, the actual population of China wasn't important to the argument, likewise the workforce demographic of Chinese rod factories) in the perverse hope that by discrediting others you prove how clever you are. This can't hide the comical fact that your comments betray a lack of comprehension - perhaps you're only masquerading as someone intelligent.

Oh I understood exactly that which you wrote...each time. But you haven't answered the question at all just ignored and evaded it. Likely because you have no facts to offer.

But to answer your question.. yes. So many times over 4 decades that I cannot even remember how many times.

 

[ian g]

I have a few of those Preston rods , quality kit.

 

[nottskev]

I have a few of those Preston rods , quality kit.

I'll second that. I like my 15' Carbonactive so much I have a spare in the cupboard against the day I tread on it or do something similarly daft.

 

[Kevin aka Aethelbald]

Think about that which you wrote and then mine

When you began this exchange, it was with a sentence that Ernie Wise would be proud of. And you had the brass neck to question whether or not I can be taken seriously?

To be fair RMNDIL has asked questions and raised points that you have avoided answering. Myself I am wondering what your definition of 'slave' is?

Here is what I actually wrote:

The problem is, empires are built on and sustained by slave labour. For every middle class westerner there are 100 people living in relative poverty, just to sustain our lifestyles. The CCP knows this only too well...

So, to clarify. I said empires are built on slave labour and I moved on to say (present tense) that there are millions of people living in relative poverty just to maintain our lifestyles. I didn't say that these people are necessarily slaves, although in the case of China the Uyghurs might disagree.

But guys, you're mistaken if you think I'm the least bit interested in discussing your misinterpretations any further, so let's just leave it there f f sake. Happy Christmas.
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[@Clive]

Shame. I was hoping that you could square the circle of recently recommending Daiwa TDM reels when Daiwa have reel manufacturing plants in China and on some ebay adverts that display country of origin list them as having been made in China.

 

[Kevin aka Aethelbald]

Shame. I was hoping that you could square the circle of recently recommending Daiwa TDM reels when Daiwa have reel manufacturing plants in China and on some ebay adverts that display country of origin list them as having been made in China.

I thought you used to be a detective. I wrote this earlier in the thread.

...about propping up communist China, I did use the words "... if I can help it". And I'm well aware that that's not always possible.

When Shimano start making reels of the quality of a TDM, in their Malaysia factory, I might switch back.
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[@Clive]

I thought you used to be a detective. I wrote this earlier in the thread.



When Shimano start making reels of the quality of a TDM, in their Malaysia factory, I might switch back.
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Never been a detective. But I don't need to have been one to detect hypocrisy.

 

[RMNDIL]

Someone once said 'ignorance is bliss for the truly inept' but I cannot remember who.

 

[mikench]

Never been a detective. But I don't need to have been one to detect hypocrisy.

Now that is a shame. Such brilliance and depth of knowledge lost to crime detection.

 

[RMNDIL]

When you began this exchange, it was with a sentence that Ernie Wise would be proud of. And you had the brass neck to question whether or not I can be taken seriously?
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Ah, lovely Earn. Bless him.

You were the one who said you'd avoid Cadence as you didn't like propping up China......but would buy an Acolyte !! Then went on some rant about the oppressed poor, how factory owners were complicit and China had more than enough of its own population thus negating the need to 'import' slaves. Hence my valid question which you continue to completely evade.

So I would assume that by your continued sides stepping that you've never ever seen slave labour in a Chinese rod factory either (or reels, or any other type of fishing tackle for that matter). And yet worry about where a fishing rod's made.

 

[Kevin aka Aethelbald]

Never been a detective. But I don't need to have been one to detect hypocrisy.

No, but you might need a dictionary. And you might like to actually read people's replies to your questions before commenting, because we could see the accusation of hypocrisy coming from a mile off... your opinion was already formed.

So, to answer the accusation of hypocrisy, in terms that you might understand, or choose not to. I've never told anyone else how they should behave. Plus, I've openly admitted that it's not always possible to stick to my own beliefs. Those are not the attributes of a hypocrite, but of someone with a certain view, but one that he doesn't impose upon others.

Then went on some rant about the oppressed poor, how factory owners were complicit and China had more than enough of its own population thus negating the need to 'import' slaves. Hence my valid question which you continue to completely evade.

The way in which the question was posited was infantile. The point I made was that the Chinese economy has boomed on the back of cheap labour. The need for slaves (upon which all the great empires were built) is irrelevant to China since it has such a huge population, the majority of whom are on subsistence level wages. China will argue that the economic boom has taken millions out of poverty. That's true, but that argument is spurious because the population has boomed and millions more still live on the poverty line (btw, I've been to rural China and seen this for myself). One of my nieces is Chinese. She tells me that besides a totalitarian system that allows no political freedoms or choice, the phenomenon that has kept the CCP in power is the rise of the middle class. Some time in the future, if and when the economy falters, the middle classes will turn on the CCP. Until then nothing will change.
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[@Clive]

Now that is a shame. Such brilliance and depth of knowledge lost to crime detection.

Detectives are only one department in the criminal justice system. Most crimes including some of the most serious ones are solved by beat bobbies. And I was lucky enough to achieve my ambition of being a dog handler and thus able to solve many crimes that even the most senior and experienced detectives would not have been able to. The police in reality is nothing like it is on the telly.

 

[@Clive]

No, but you might need a dictionary. And you might like to actually read people's replies to your questions before commenting, because we could see the accusation of hypocrisy coming from a mile off... your opinion was already formed.

So, to answer the accusation of hypocrisy, in terms that you might understand, or choose not to. I've never told anyone else how they should behave. Plus, I've openly admitted that it's not always possible to stick to my own beliefs. Those are not the attributes of a hypocrite, but of someone with a certain view, but one that he doesn't impose upon others.



The way in which the question was posited was infantile. The point I made was that the Chinese economy has boomed on the back of cheap labour. The need for slaves (upon which all the great empires were built) is irrelevant to China since it has such a huge population, the majority of whom are on subsistence level wages. China will argue that the economic boom has taken millions out of poverty. That's true, but that argument is spurious because the population has boomed and millions more still live on the poverty line (btw, I've been to rural China and seen this for myself). One of my nieces is Chinese. She tells me that besides a totalitarian system that allows no political freedoms or choice, the phenomenon that has kept the CCP in power is the rise of the middle class. Some time in the future, if and when the economy falters, the middle classes will turn on the CCP. Until then nothing will change.
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So you don't want to support the Chinese economy when it involves a fishing rod, but it is OK to buy Chinese reels and goodness knows what else?

 

[Alan Whitty]

And is the reason why our industry is failing, its the way the world economy rolls, China and its people as a whole have made massive steps and no doubt are in danger of failing like all the industrial powerhouses before them and is why its a constant battle between workforces and employers for better wages, it will never end...