One rod or two rods for barbel

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A couple of years ago I walked around a small lake where there were four bivvy botherers as Steve described above. All were situated as close to where vehicular access was possible and none had caught anything all night despite having 16 rods out between them. About 300 metres away I discovered a single angler with one rod tucked away under a bush on the windward side. He was float fishing maize bait and had caught three double figure carp in a couple of hours.

The number of rods might increase your chances of getting bites, but choosing the right location will give better results.
 

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The top field of our syndicate on the Swale has a popular day ticket fishery on the far bank . It is very popular because many anglers are lazy b***s and the fishery allows cars to be parked on the river bank . The river is not wide , and effectively our upper water is unfishable unless the weather is so bad it stops vehicular access, or it is too cold for barbel .

It is absurd how theses idiots 'fish' . Car parked at top of bank , radio on . Two or three rods , all pointed skyward , and often 5-10 yards from angler. Baits cast way beyond mid river (into my water). BBQ on , girl friend in bivvy, plenty bantz with mates on phone and lit up like effing Blackpool at night . Oh, and unhooking mats PROMINENTLY of display , as it is now illegal even to take a picture of a barbel being held without the captor's mat in sight ..


It's fishing Jim, but not as we know it ,and I wish they'd all eff off somewhere else .
 

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On the small river a few of us fish on here I'm stunned how many anglers fish with their rods pointing towards the sky, using 1.5-2ozs of lead when 0.25ozs would be more than heavy enough with your rod just above the water, they obviously have no understanding of what they are doing, one big splosh of these bigger leads and a pva bag sends barbel scurrying for cover, unbelievable as Victor Meldrew says...
 

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On the small river a few of us fish on here I'm stunned how many anglers fish with their rods pointing towards the sky, using 1.5-2ozs of lead when 0.25ozs would be more than heavy enough with your rod just above the water, they obviously have no understanding of what they are doing, one big splosh of these bigger leads and a pva bag sends barbel scurrying for cover, unbelievable as Victor Meldrew says...
The carp anglers here have rod pods set at waist height with four lines stretching out taught to the middle of the lake. Their heavy leads will be close to the far bank. And our local carpistes insist on spombing the bejasus out of the swim every half hour depite having caught nothing. The lake is called La Fecularie after the small starch works that used to rely on its water. I call it La Pecularie as the all the carp anglers are in one corner where their vehicles can be parked in a car park guarded with a chain and padlock. And all the carp are in the opposite corner where you could park your car 50 metres away and free line for them. The cost of an annual permit is almost €300 a year. Ten minutes away is the River Vienne that holds more carp and bigger carp that can be fished for the price of a national rod licence, €105 p.a.
 

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I have tried now and then fishing with two rods. But I found having two rods triggered a lot of things that didn't help, like these: it led to choosing swims where you can "fit" two rods; it led to sticking to static baits and staying put in swims too long; casting to spots just to maintain separation of two lines; worrying how to play/land a fish without crossing the other line; barbel often arrive in groups, so hoping I don't get a second bite when playing one ........ in my experience, the tail ended up wagging the dog when I added another rod. I can see the point if you are on a big river with lots of space and clear underwater terrain, expect sport to be pretty slow and are happy to fish a sit back and wait style, but it didn't work for me.
 

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It is absurd how theses idiots 'fish' . Car parked at top of bank , radio on . Two or three rods , all pointed skyward , and often 5-10 yards from angler. Baits cast way beyond mid river (into my water). BBQ on , girl friend in bivvy, plenty bantz with mates on phone and lit up like effing Blackpool at night

Not my cup of tea either but they do appear to have fun. ….girlfiiend in bivvy, BBQ, beer, music, having a laugh with mates…who needs fish ! ;)
 

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I dont like having " I do'nt likes" when I go fishing 'cept the odd bod throwing stiks in water for a dog to retrieve or being skylined on some small intimate, shallow and clear river like the Idle in its upper reaches. It can often hamper my style on the day where I' ve chosen to fish.
I still rate a day using a stick float trotting on the tidal Trent with hemp and tare as one of my favourite kinds of angling, but on the same river section I have no qualms in using two rods for Barbel with fifteen pound mainline, eight ounce leads or big homemade feeders with enough lead strapped to them in order to hold the bottom as soon as they land.
My of late reports in the HDYGO thread I fished exactly as I've just described, on the day when I had the three doubles with two other smaller fish the bites were coming fast so I put one rod aside to concentrate on one single rod.
It's a big powerful river in its tidal reaches before it gets to the Trent falls.
Very often it definately turns into a "needs must" scenario.
 

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As I've said, I don't like fishing such heavy feeders/leads, therefore I wouldn't fish venues that need that approach, opting to fish inside lines that hold fish and don't need beachcasting kit, if that is your bag then great, you can have my swim, lol...
 

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As I've said, I don't like fishing such heavy feeders/leads, therefore I wouldn't fish venues that need that approach, opting to fish inside lines that hold fish and don't need beachcasting kit, if that is your bag then great, you can have my swim, lol...
I guess you won't be fishing the tidal Trent then Alan any time soon 🤣🤣🤣
 

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1 rod on a small river with large stock, 2 on a big river with low stock, adjust as required.

I’ll happily fish more than 1 rod or a bolt rig if I think it will help. Part of the fun is picking the right technique for the day or my mood be it float, feeder or heavy lead, they all have their place.

If catching fish was just about a rig I would have given up years ago.
 

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Well Hugh, only if it is on the inside of a bend where casting to the far bank syndrome doesn't cause an issue, also casting a huge feeder isn't the only way to skin a cat, also sitting on top of high banks in a bivvy with up to three rods mounted skywards with electronic bite indicators is an awful scenario....
As for small rivers with high populations and one rod being deemed right, please do not forget I for one have spent many years fishing far harder rivers than the Trent, the Thames around Oxford being one, but even in their hay days the Gt.Ouse and Ivel were rarely multiple catch venues, in fact blanks were common and I still preferred the single rod option for the reasons previously highlighted...
 
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Well Hugh, only if it is on the inside of a bend where casting to the far bank syndrome doesn't cause an issue, also casting a huge feeder isn't the only way to skin a cat, also sitting on top of high banks in a bivvy with up to three rods mounted skywards with electronic bite indicators is an awful scenario....
As for small rivers with high populations and one rod being deemed right, please do not forget I for one have spent many years fishing far harder rivers than the Trent, the Thames around Oxford being one, but even in their hay days the Gt.Ouse and Ivel were rarely multiple catch venues, in fact blanks were common and I still preferred the single rod option for the reasons previously highlighted...
Agree one rod can be an advantage as I mentioned those tight swims that are common on Gt Ouse it would be folly to use two rods. On the bigger rivers lower Thames etc where to swims are open I feel that using two rods is the way to go eg fishing two baits well away from each other.
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The pros and cons are the same on the lower Thames, unless you are fishing individual rods say 15 yard apart along the bank, which isn't advisable imo either..
 

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When I first moved to the Lot it was autumn and the river was still low after the usual long summer drought. I told myself I was back to freshwater fishing after a few decades mostly sea fishing, so I dug out the tackle I had used when small river fishing in my teens.

I had great fun with small barbel, chub and bream but lost a couple of big fish, the river was weedy and there were so many fallen trees!

As winter weather brought some rain the river quickly became too much for my initial tackle choices, I actually stopped fishing for months!

But during future winters I was frustrated enough to dig out heavier tackle, a couple of carp rods I had brought with me. The winter flow that I thought would need several ounces of lead I quickly found was not as fierce as it looked. A couple of ounces worked most of the time, sometimes three ounces if a bit of distance casting was required. When it got to the four ounce weights needed I usually packed up!

Weights of 2-3 ounces can be managed with any barbel rod so eventually I bought one, only 1.5 lb TC but it coped remarkably well and I was back to enjoying fishing with a rod that would bend. The carp rods were still handy for the long casts or swims where the carp had previously appeared and beat me up.

So I learnt not to be fixed in my approach to river fishing, and my results have steadily improved. Standard tackle choice for me now will be a 2.75 lb carp rod and either a barbel or feeder rod depending on the season or river state. I have short rods and long rods to cover any number of swims, some open and others very confined due to the trees.

If it's a new swim to me and I can fish two rods usually I put out one for carp, either short under the trees or long range. Either way I try to keep it clear of the main swim I fish for barbel, chub and bream. Many swims I know well now and usually will fish just the one rod, I like those swims better!

If I was to renew all my tackle I now have enough experience here to choose much better. I could probably manage with just for rods, rather than forty-four I probably have collected. :unsure:

Choosing one or two for any particular days fishing would be so much easier!

For a reasonably clear (of trees) swim I usually take my Greys Prodigy Barbel rod 1.5lb tc and my Korum Big Water 13' 2.75lb tc rod. Both are 3-piece and pack down well for the camper-car. I have a selection of shorter rods for difficult swims, those rods are often butchered from longer models. I still "hate" carp rods but I guess they have some uses, if the river is running that hard I usually go home!

So, the original question was "one rod or two for barbel?" No straight answer, but usually take two rods as it gives options, fish one for the pleasure in a swim you know well.🎣

Sorry, a bit too wordy to reach my answer, my excuse is that the forecast is to push the 40c temperature today and it's already too hot to go out anywhere!:(
 

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The argument for 1 or 2 rods could be applied to any style of fishing. Any fish can run into a snag if you leave it too long. I dont see alot of difference between fishing say 2 rods on a big river like the Thames for Barbel or 2 rods on a Gravel pit for Tench. Both are more "risk" than fishing 1 rod.

So the whole argument boils down to how far do we actually want to take this ? ...safest of all is zero rods .. but none of us wants that.
 

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There's also the business of how you enjoy fishing, which is different to the safety angle. Fishing one rod actively - float, rolling and trundling baits, searching out and feeling for bites with all kinds of set-ups - is just a different fishing experience to the sitting back and waiting that two rods out tend to involve. That's not to say it's better or worse - just a matter of how you like it, although there are circ's such as low clear rivers in daytime where one rod, a moving bait and a searching approach seem to be more productive as well as imo more fun.
 

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There's also the business of how you enjoy fishing, which is different to the safety angle. Fishing one rod actively - float, rolling and trundling baits, searching out and feeling for bites with all kinds of set-ups - is just a different fishing experience to the sitting back and waiting that two rods out tend to involve. That's not to say it's better or worse - just a matter of how you like it, although there are circ's such as low clear rivers in daytime where one rod, a moving bait and a searching approach seem to be more productive as well as imo more fun.
Agree trundling baits using a nice soft rod is a lovely way to fish and I have caught barbel up on 13lb 1oz on this method. My friend is a syndicate member of a stretch of the Trent where a different approach is required if one is to be successful. Its horses for courses.
 

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There's also the business of how you enjoy fishing, which is different to the safety angle. Fishing one rod actively - float, rolling and trundling baits, searching out and feeling for bites with all kinds of set-ups - is just a different fishing experience to the sitting back and waiting that two rods out tend to involve. That's not to say it's better or worse - just a matter of how you like it, although there are circ's such as low clear rivers in daytime where one rod, a moving bait and a searching approach seem to be more productive as well as imo more fun.
Fishing for Barbel using large leads is quite foreign to me unless the river I was fishing was in flood conditions.
I’m far happier using small link legers of from 4 or 5 SSG shot through to half oz flat leads if the flow allows me to.

So fishing the Trent with big leads at range would be way out of my comfort zone. If I ever fished the Trent for barbel I would probably be searching out a likely looking swim that is much closer to my bank and then touch leger or trundle a bait using a smaller lead with a single rod or do a bit of trotting.

So using more than one rod for Barbel would be out of the question for me.
I’ve had Barbel almost drag my rod ‘out of my hands’ several times over the years so I’m not likely to be wanting to use two rods for Barbel; even if I was fishing at long range.

Keith
 
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