Otter Damage... Awful!

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binka

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Believe it or not this barbel of around seven pounds actually took my hook bait today and gave me a fight worthy of what you'd expect for its size but what a mess...







I didn't know whether to return it or put it out of its misery but as it didn't seem to be suffering any lack of physical strength I returned it, not sure if it was the right thing to do but at least it has a chance and I didn't have the heart to bash it.

What a bloody mess!
 

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That is awful, makes you wonder why otters have been re-introduced if they do that sort of damage.

I think the Barbel does have a good chance of survival as long as the wound doesn't get infected. The fact it took your bait and wasn't off of it's food is a good sign.
 

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Its the reintroduction that causes this that was also a bloody mess, I cant believe the short sightedness of the idiots involved and as usual those tossers at the EA were involved.
 

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I had a steak for dinner last night; left the steer it came from in a hell of a mess...
 

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really you amaze me what do you expect an otter to do ?
Less than 100 were reintroduced otters are recovering on their own, as rivers are now cleaner , something we all want.

But fish feel no pain so what is the problem ?
 

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That fish will recover easily unless it gets infected. I've seen fish recover from far worse than that.
 

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Its the reintroduction that causes this that was also a bloody mess, I cant believe the short sightedness of the idiots involved and as usual those tossers at the EA were involved.

Yes I agree. I wish the EA would stop reintroducing barbel where they don't belong.....
 

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I'm not... I did consider mink but thought it unlikely.

Might not of even been an animal that caused the injuries. Deffo not a mink.
A mink is only as big as a ferret so unless a fish like that was flopping about dying a mink wouldn't get near it or be able to hold on to it.
 
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The profile of the wounds in the first pic looks a bit like a pike bite to me, and a very big one...The uniform scraping looks like it may have been caused by the bank of backward curving barbs in a pike's top jaw

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But I'm no expert...

If I caught that barbel I would be back in the same swim asap with a cache of sea deads, or even better a live freshwater bait..
 

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Which river, Binka? If it's the Trent, especially the tidal, there's a few more potential culprits, seal, catfish and even porpoise, if it is indeed predator damage. The lack of puncture wounds on one flank gives me pause for thought.
 
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Which river, Binka? If it's the Trent, especially the tidal,

Yes Sam it was but not the tidal.

I'm not sure if it's evident from the pictures but it looked as though it had been scaled on the opposite side to the deeper wounds which I had interpreted as claw wounds?

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The profile of the wounds in the first pic looks a bit like a pike bite to me, and a very big one...The uniform scraping looks like it may have been caused by the bank of backward curving barbs in a pike's top jaw

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But I'm no expert...

If I caught that barbel I would be back in the same swim asap with a cache of sea deads, or even better a live freshwater bait..

Yeah I know what you're saying, I've seen pike damage to some pretty large fish but this didn't seem quite right.

But could be right of course...
 

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As much as you might not like to hear it, fish exist only to reproduce, and be eaten.

Fewer than 100 otters were introduced in the late 90s, none since.

There has however been a massive reintroduction of scapegoats.
 

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from http://www.otter.org/documents/IOSF%20Otters%20and%20Fisheries%20Conference%202012%20Edinburgh.pdf

There is significant misunderstanding about the role of re-introductions and captive-bred releases in
the recovery of otter populations, and whether these are indeed still occurring. In fact, there have
been relatively few otter reintroductions in the UK when the timespan of the recovery period is
considered. The Otter Trust released 117 captive-bred otters over a period of 15 years, but agreed
to terminate this programme in 2000 following concern about local impacts of some releases and
pressure from the UK Otter BAP Steering Group, who felt that captive-bred releases were not
necessary to secure the recovery of the population. These are the only known captive bred otters OSF Otters and Fisheries 7
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November 2012, Edinburgh
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released in the UK. The last release was of 17 otters in 1999, and a number of these were killed on
the roads in the following months, illustrating the potential mortality rates experienced by reintroduced animals. Between 1990-1996 the Vincent Wildlife Trust released 49 rehabilitated
animals, mainly in a carefully planned release programme in Yorkshire. Currently, there are a small
number of releases of rehabilitated wild otters each year, predominantly orphaned cubs released
back to the wild once they are old enough to fend for themselves.
The recovery of otters to their levels of 60 years ago has largely been achieved by the natural return
of otters from areas where they never died out, with re-introductions making a small contribution to
speeding up the recovery in certain areas. As the environment has improved and levels of toxic
pollutants have declined, the environment has been able to sustain otter populations once again.

and

Ecology of Predation: some sectors of the angling press claim that there will be an endless increase
in predators such as otters unless they are controlled, but in reality, predator numbers are largely
determined by prey availability and, in some circumstances, access to breeding sites. Simplistically,
territoriality has evolved as a means of dispersing predators in the landscape at a density that food
and other resources allow and can support. A healthy population of aquatic predators indicates that
the whole of the rest of the ecological pyramid is in good condition – fish, fish prey, habitat, water
quality etc.
In lowland Britain in particular, still waters are mainly artificial, often based on gravel pits and
reservoirs, and many were developed as fisheries during the time that otters had been lost from
much of the country. Otters came back to an environment with damaged or recovering rivers and
with many more stillwaters managed as intensive or specialist fisheries. A proportion of these
fisheries contain predominantly large specimen fish. In the winter particularly, when there is little
else available and these large fish are more torpid, otters can easily catch and kill them.
Over the last few years, in recognition of these concerns, the EA has put aside a moderate amount of
funding to help fence fisheries to keep otters out, with an emphasis on day ticket fisheries, as this
benefits far more people than private syndicates and private club waters. This is based on the
principle that the funding is for the promotion of angling, and emanates from a fisheries funding pot.
Not all of the potential funding is taken up each year.
The EA has also worked with the Wildlife Trusts to develop advice for fishery managers on methods
of preventing access by otters to fisheries. This guidance document - ‘Otters and Stillwater Fisheries’
– is on the EA website. There are a number of companies that can provide and/or erect otter-proof
fencing.
The amount of damage from otter predation to a fishery is greatest where there are large, uniform
ponds with poor marginal structure and little cover, and those which are populated primarily by
large fish. Better fishery habitat management, introducing more marginal vegetation and woody
debris for cover, and a healthier fish population age profile can help reduce predation impacts.
 
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As much as you might not like to hear it, fish exist only to reproduce, and be eaten.

Fewer than 100 otters were introduced in the late 90s, none since.

There has however been a massive reintroduction of scapegoats.

In my original post I was careful not to project a judgemental view on otters simply because I can't really decide where I stand on the subject, I did however "speculate" on the cause of the fishes injuries and in my opinion that they were awful (not otters as such) as I think anyone would agree.

There is additional evidence of an otter in that their tracks had been spotted by bailiffs on previous occasions during low water through bankside silt and mud.

I've looked down enough pike throats to know that the injuries were inconsistent with a pike so the scapegoat theory probably holds as much evidence as my otter presumption.

You are entirely right in your first comment, nature will prevail no matter how cruel we might perceive it to be at times.

Other than that i'm struggling to see what else it could be?
 

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Binka, re your hesitation to return your injured fish---- Back in the mid eighties I was winter fishing the trent for carp and caught one that went seven lbs on the dot.
Around its midriff was a perfect circle of fungus about an inch wide. Suspecting nylon line was the culprit a inserted my artery forceps and nipped what appeared to be some eight or ten lb mono that had somehow encircled the fish when it was much smaller and was effectively cutting the poor thing in two as it increased in diameter.
Like you I was going to put it out of its misery but it had taken my bait, fought well etx so I returned it hoping it would be ok.
Fast forward to the mid nineties-- And I was seriously fishing for barbel on the mid tidal reaches and one day caught a carp that had a perfect well healed scar that was almost without doubt the very same fish that I had taken some three or four miles upstream all those years earlier, It was only two lbs heavier but other than the scarring it was in the pink of condition.
You put your mind at rest--- you did the right thing.
 
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If you catch a fish that is injured no matter how bad, DO NOT KILL IT, while it is alive and feeding it has a chance, but no chance if you kill it.
 
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