I notice all the other threads are now closed - I wish I could do that when someone disagreed with me on a forum
Especially when its was about the tenth thread I had opened on the same subject
Start your own Benny but I wouldn't bother. This one went nowhere, I thought there might at least be a picture of the swim now it's known, something new but it was only another we can prove the Selman camp wrong round 100. And I can't say I have read anything new in that either. For me the bloke went to Canada were there are known 50lb carp in the area he was and came back and produced a picture and an account of his 50lb carp. No witnesses, no reliable weighing, no reliable pictures to look at and no reliable location. And all the excuses has not furthered it all, quite the opposite, the more excuses I read (and I have read an awful lot) the more I think he might of caught it in Canada Still does not mean to say he caught it in Canada just that it's a possibility and will always remain so in the minds of a lot of people.
I think Cliff and Eddie have done more harm to their mate by bringing this to everyone’s attention in the first place, too late now but it would have been forgotten about a long time ago if they had just left it alone. When I first read this thread, I thought great, the water has been discovered; now we might get to the bottom of it, but no chance, whenever you think your getting near the truth in this story, that's the case and that worries me as well.
I have followed this latest episode and it's just been a waste of my time, very disappointed in that. If Cliff or Eddie could title there next thread something like “We have new evidence/proof and we are publishing it” might have a look or "We have new evidence/proof but we are not going to reveal it" that would save quite a few of of us wasting our our time going over it all again who have heard it all before.
Also, why not take the opportunity to explain how 13 anglers who saw the untouched pics saw a chain-link fence and a notice board while Monday saw 1) The Rocky Mountains, then, 2, 25 years later, Lennox power station.
MG's own family state he was in Canada. yet you continue to unsuccessfully in your attempt to muddy the waters by refusing to show the alleged " unedited" photos almost 20 years after the event. you say there is silence from other quarters; this is because they have decided that two stupid old men don't have the bottle to tell the truth or to challenge those that call them "liars" publicly.! surely one does not accept real damage to both of your reputations from all quarters if one can prove the truth.Roto: so do you doubt each and every last angler who has reported a big 'un but hasn't told us where he caught it? What's the difference between Martin Gay saying "I caught this whopper but I'm not saying where" and any other angler saying the same?
If you consider nothing Eddie and I have said for so long as proof of your mate's vivid imagination and jealous streak it doesn't say much about your powers of perception does it? Explain the miracle '25 year conversion' then get back to us please. And while you're at it, explain how MG could have been catching carp in Canada when official records prove he was in Hornchurch, Essex. Also, why not take the opportunity to explain how 13 anglers who saw the untouched pics saw a chain-link fence and a notice board while Monday saw 1) The Rocky Mountains, then, 2, 25 years later, Lennox power station.
Get outa here!
If Cliff or Eddie could title there next thread something like “We have new evidence/proof and we are publishing it” might have a look or "We have new evidence/proof but we are not going to reveal it" that would save quite a few of of us wasting our our time going over it all again who have heard it all before
MG's own family state he was in Canada. yet you continue to unsuccessfully in your attempt to muddy the waters by refusing to show the alleged " unedited" photos almost 20 years after the event. you say there is silence from other quarters; this is because they have decided that two stupid old men don't have the bottle to tell the truth or to challenge those that call them "liars" publicly.! surely one does not accept real damage to both of your reputations from all quarters if one can prove the truth.
put up or accept that others have the opinion that you are nothing more than charlatans.
MG's own family state he was in Canada. yet you continue to unsuccessfully in your attempt to muddy the waters by refusing to show the alleged " unedited" photos almost 20 years after the event. you say there is silence from other quarters; this is because they have decided that two stupid old men don't have the bottle to tell the truth or to challenge those that call them "liars" publicly.! surely one does not accept real damage to both of your reputations from all quarters if one can prove the truth.
put up or accept that others have the opinion that you are nothing more than charlatans.
I am sorry but your evidence is all about the pictures, I cannot remember what was in the background of the last 10 pictures I looked at in the HDYGO thread and that was this morning. So, I have no faith in the memories of either party either way in that respect. How long after was it the 14 looked at the pictures and then say they knew what was in the background, it's just too unreliable as evidence. people remember what they want to remember! You make too much of it, the evidence and/or proof that the carp was caught in England just does not exist or Canada but given all the circumstances surrounding the fish you cannot blame anyone for thinking it was possible, I am sure you would if you were in their shoes.Hi Mark.....................Nice to see you are back and I trust you are well. Cliff and I have repeatedly said that we cannot provide PROOF only evidence, and we have provided a considerable amount of that over the years.
Who gives a rats whatsit regardless. This thread makes most of mine a riveting read.
‘Oh yes he did”.....”Oh no he didn’t”
If you think this is bad Mike, you should see the amount of tripe they’ve written on other fishing forums about this mythical fish. Infact there is one whole page of ‘Oh yes he did”.....”Oh no he didn’t”, sums it up really.
we cannot provide PROOF
if it was provided, which it never will be because it doesn't exist, then it would settle this issue
The unedited photos would provide proof and these may still exist.
Yvonne Gay is the only person left who knows the truth and she should be the one deciding what to do its as simple as that.
Martin Gays 48lb Canadian Common | General Carp Angling | Fishingwarehouse Forum. This gives some alternative views