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Yeah, thank's for that Graham, it is interesting. I have had a few roach chub or chub roach hybrids in the past some going over 3lb! For a second or two i've thought I had a large roach until i've got a proper look at the fish and then it's been a feeling of disappointment. I don't know why though because they are a lovely looking fish.
As far as i'm aware chub/dace or dace/chub hybrids are far less common but I do think i've come across the remnants of a chub/dace gangbang :eek: :D
 

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Fished the Stour Yesterday Wednesday

first time on the pin took a bit of getting used to 2 birds nests Grrrrrr :wh but also a few nice fish 2 small chub of about 1 lb each nice Perch easy 2 lb and a hoard of think they were Gudgeon small brown bottom dwelling maggot snaffelers with a wide head few roach so not bad

First day on the river for way too many years to count around 40 i will be back as well but like the idea of smaller rivers rather than big wide jobs .

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Could be an ide, Tigger? There are some in the Trent as well.

I hadn't thought of that...good thinking ravey, that is a possibility.

I've just been looking at some pic's of ide on google and the fish I was catching do look suspiciously like Ide!
 
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Another enjoyable but fishless day with binka yesterday, the river is pitifully low and clear but even so with the flow being a couple of rods out and some 13ft deep i was confident of a fish or two but it wasn't to be the only sign was when something had eaten my meat :eek: around the hook, i suspect it was an eel and was glad i moved it either that or there are crays in the Trent but i haven't heard of any.

As binka was having some sport with the Perch i decided to pack up and sit watching the bobber, unfortunately i seem to be a bit of a Jonah at the moment for myself and whoever i with although its more likely to have been the sun staying out and the water clarity, even the bites from "bits" dried up and we called it a day around 4pm.

Thanks mate.
 

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Normal service is resumed on the Wey !

Nightmare trip round the M25....crawled for 3 junctions....then arrived at the river to find no parking spots which is becoming the norm.Big Dave was on bank patrol when I arrived but I refused to even contemplate unloading any gear until he reported back. He duly did telling me two "swims" were free.....but I knew exactly where he meant and you'd have to be 90% mountain goat to even set up in either let alone land a fish should you be so lucky. Sod that ! So off to the stretch we looked at the other day...parking fine and not a single angler on the water.

BD set up with his mate Tristram in a swim we'd spotted that looks terrific....but I couldn't be having with the beered up idiots in the garden of the houses opposite so wandered off upstream .Its a bit jungly but I found a fairly comfortable spot on a bend with a nice glide/pool below and a very interesting upstream run under a tree. For once I could have fished two rods without too much fuss except I'd only brought one reel...so I didn't.

I had one bite from the upstream run....a chub which was 2-3 ozs north of 4lb. BD & Tris were pestered all evening with dog walkers, the far bank idiots, bike riders, loose dogs etc . When this all quietened down Tris had a barbel [ his first ever] of 4-6 and BD discovered what the odd little knocks he'd been getting all evening were when he reeled in a small gudgeon at packing up time.

This stretch produced fish to over 15lb last autumn and its not hard to work out where they are most likely to live so worth another go but Dear GOD this river is hard work.

As FJT [I think] once memorably said " I shall be glad when I've had enough of this !"

Still no brim though so not all bad !
 
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Graham, it's deffo a mong, I thought roach chub at first but the scales are far to small and tightly packed together. In the flesh it has a wide head and mouth like a chub.
Here's a true dace and the mongy fish below...




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I catch 'em whenever I've fished that river this season, sometimes quite a few of 'em and they go thicker and chunkier as they get bigger and they put up a better scrap than any true dace, chub or roach of their size.
I reckon they're either a dace x chub or a dace x roach but i'd lean towards the former.

As yet there is not a single scrap of evidence for dace hybrids of any type in the UK; the spawning times are simply much too far apart from dace in late Feb/early March and chub, roach or bream (late April onwards).

The simple way to tell ide, which is what you caught, from roach x chub is to do a lateral line count - mid 40s = roach x chub - 55+ = ide.

Chub x bleak are very rare but likely to be relatively small ie under 6oz.

In the early 70s there were some massive importations of roach (to make up for the roach losses due to disease 1966 to 68) from Belgium and possibly Denmark that were stocked into various rivers, especially some of the Yorkshire ones, and these included ide. These stopped circa 1974 due to concerns re new diseases.
 

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As yet there is not a single scrap of evidence for dace hybrids of any type in the UK; the spawning times are simply much too far apart from dace in late Feb/early March and chub, roach or bream (late April onwards).

The simple way to tell ide, which is what you caught, from roach x chub is to do a lateral line count - mid 40s = roach x chub - 55+ = ide.

Chub x bleak are very rare but likely to be relatively small ie under 6oz.

In the early 70s there were some massive importations of roach (to make up for the roach losses due to disease 1966 to 68) from Belgium and possibly Denmark that were stocked into various rivers, especially some of the Yorkshire ones, and these included ide. These stopped circa 1974 due to concerns re new diseases.


As the old saying goes, "you live and learn".
That's interesting stuff, thank's Mark....I do appreciate the info :).
 

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Had a trip to a canal not too far away, about a 45 minutes drive. Fished the pole and as the wind, and rain, was severe, only fished with 6 sections. Cracking day, ended up with a net of roach, skimmers and perch for a weight well into double figures. Well pleased considering the conditions.
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There's a small brook not far from me that I've been scoping out recently. It's about 12 inch deep, around 6 to 8 feet wide, and mostly choked up with weed, trees, rushes, and bushes.
There are however a couple of clear stretches; one where I've seen some little chublets, and another where I've seen a shoal of small streamlined and incredibly fast silver fish (which I thought might be dace).
Had an hour to spare yesterday evening so thought I'd pop down to see if I could tempt anything out.

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I couldn't find the chublets, but I did track down the dace (at least I think that's what they are?).
In a possibly slightly unconventional move I decided to trot bread punch using a stick float and a 6 foot light lure rod. Which actually worked surprisingly well!

The fish seemed to follow a set pattern and the shoal would shoot past in one direction, the a minute later shoot past the other way. Provided I had my bait in the right place I could almost guarantee a bite as they streamed past. Actually striking quick enough was another matter entirely though!
Probably only connected with around 1 in 5 bites, but it was exciting fishing, and I landed quite a few!

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Well after working 10 days straight,i decided to give the open at TBF a miss,and have a little reccie to Lavender Hall Fishery @ Coventry,I have a MD ind champs match there on sept 3rd.
I,m not really into pleasure fishing that much,i prefer to fish matches,and the weather didnt help,bucketing down all day and wind whipping up:(,but i got a few things out of my head,i wanted to see if a paste line was viable as a backup to my main pellet line,so set that up at 5m,using miracle paste,and 4 and 6mm feed pellets,and 1 edge line,just with micros,4mm and catmeat...Plenty of bites on the paste line which resulted in 10 carp and a big skimmer,and 3 carp and 2 big skimmers down the edge,which never really worked,but i think that was down to my lack of interest and input...Got to be honest,didnt really enjoy the day much,mainly down to the weather,partly as i couldnt get motivated,but managed to work a few things out for the match..ive got another 7 day straight at work now so no fishing again this week!!:mad::mad::mad:tight lines ,Gazza
 
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What the bloody hell just happened?

One minute I was setting up beside a large, tranquil looking lake at around 6.30am and the next I’m doing the full nine rounds with the brolly, after which I was disqualified in the eight for lack of enthusiasm and failing to get an erection (!).

Where have I heard that before?

I am now convinced that brolly wrestling really should be considered as an Olympic sport, it’s far more energetic than some that exist at the moment.

Needless to say I have had a right royal battering by the relentless high winds today, I feel slightly dazed to say the least and just like the last time I decided to sit on the end of such a strong one it reaped the rewards but at the cost of feeling like I’ve been deprived of my basic senses for ten hours.

To which effect I will keep it as brief as chopped worm with groundbait laced with dead maggot and worm on a size 10, gradually reducing as the wind picked up from four rod lengths out to just off the tip and it was the just off the tip part that produced virtually a fish a chuck which included roach, perch, a couple of large snotties, ruffe in abundance and two mud pigs.

Pictures at a premium as anything that wasn’t nailed down was gone in the blink of an eye so here’s a nice roach from early on and a contrasting image of when things got a little bit feisty…





There’s a float tip in there somewhere!

Normally I would keep my options open for tomorrow but considering my weather battering from today I will be happy to chill out on the back garden and give the gear a thorough going over and clean.

After the floods back at the beginning of the season everything looks as though it’s coming out of the back end of winter and the ‘pins are all but grinding to a halt so it will be time well spent.

Unless of course I get itchy feet towards early evening…

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I recently discovered a lovely looking stretch of the Stour not all that far from me and, being brutally honest, it looked the sort of stretch that would never see a bailiff. I hate myself but I was tempted to gatecrash but, that said, the phone call that confirmed the ownership also confirmed the club fee was such good value that all thoughts of naughtyness vanished in a nanosecond.

Saturday morning saw me secure both club membership and a fine breakfast with a stunningly tasty filter coffee. Life was all good yet within a few, short hours it all turned round. Losing to Burnley whilst having 85 percent possession put me in the vilest of mindframes and even the current future ex Mrs H gave up on trying to convince me about the new chest freezer she wants. The single look that said "you'll be the first thing goes in it" was obviously enough. After a while, the malaise lifted and I started asking myself why the ineptitude of a bunch of overpaid pillocks should spoil my weekend. I refused to let it - I popped out and topped up with a couple of pints of reds and bronze.

I got up sharpish this morning and took the short drive to the new stretch. Arriving, I took everything I needed in one go as, although the climb down to the river was not exactly the North Face of the Eiger, I didn't want to have to do it multiple times so everything got shoved in a ruckbag and armed with a Maver Reactorlight 15/18ft float rod, a DAM closed face with 4.4lb main line, a Middy barbel trotter float carrying 5BB to a Drennan carbon chub 16 and 3.3lb trace, battle was shortly set to commence.

I fished the rod at 15ft as there were several features of interest close in and far bank that looked real fish holding spots. I planned a mobile approach to explore this new to me area and just generally enjoy myself and get life back on track.

Two bronze on the 16 and out to a far bank crease that I felt may have been caused by an underwater feature however I found the float to be completely unimpeded and to run through beautifully.

The first seven or eight casts, with accompanying loosefed maggots, produced nothing, no hint of a bite even and no chewed baits but I felt it would give so carried on.

As most of the world slumbered, around 6.30am, I was treated to the electric blue symphony. The Kingfisher in all its beauty, six inches above the river. What more can words add? I opened a flask of coffee and savoured it, life feeling good again.

I cast back out and just as the float were leaving the boily far bank patch, it shot under and I hit it, feeling resistance make its way midriver. After a dogged fight, not a heavyweight slugfest but a lively light welterweight bout, a lovely and absolutely mint conditioned roach of around 12oz was netted and I took a minute or two to survey my reward, it was new and silver and beautiful.

What better way to start the day? A mixed collection of dace, small roach and a single 8oz chub followed along with......d'ohhh....the odd minnow.

Something very large and probably a buzzard (too high up to be absolutely certain but 90% convinced) circled above and, in the far distance, I could see several deer moving.

That was really the pattern for the day. I switched swims exploring a number of areas and streams of modest sized fish followed. Dace to around 3 or 4oz, another chub edging a pound, a couple of perch around 4oz each and a few more roach up to maybe 5 or 6oz.

It was as I was starting to think about enough being enough, a five hour session on a day with a lot of other things to do, that the float buried and the first real resistance was brought up to show I wasn't going to get it all my own way although, eventually, the fish tired and only my second netter of the day turned out to be a chub pretty much on the 2lb mark.

Finishing my coffee, packing up and a short drive home and life felt a lot better than it did 24 hours earlier. I know that, compared to life in a great many other countries, we don't have a lot to stress over but it doesn't stop us trying does it??

Sitting at home, next trip out is going to be prawns (definitely) and perch (hopefully), I'm thinking about my Greys 1lb tc Specimen rod and closing my eyes imagining a huge bend in that rod and then, looking down, was that a flash of green and black? Here's hoping, all the way to next week.

Take care, all. :)
 
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Appreciate it's a bit off topic but how they can hammer a full strength Barcelona 4-0 and then, less than half a dozen games later, lose at Burnley?

Infuriating. No wonder I fish to keep my marbles intact......:)
 

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Charity open match today on Marsworth reservior, Tring. Drew on the causeway which was not where I wanted to be but at least the gusty wind was on my back.



Set up my 12'6" Carbonactive medium feeder rod with a small cage feeder and a yellow bandum on a band and 16 hook.



After 15 minutes my neighbour landed a decent slab which gave me some hope.
Another 15 minutes and my tip dropped back, after a dogged lunging tussle I netted my first slab.



Another hour and my tip wavered which looked like a liner but I lifted in anyway and a solid feeling started moving, this was big. I got it into netting distance and it surfaced, lunged with a splash and it was gone:eek:mg:
I had one more a bit bigger and that was it. No bites for the last 2 hours despite trying double dead maggot for roach.
I weighed in 11lb:4



Winner had 95lb (15 bream)
2nd 15lb:4 (3)
3rd. 15lb. (3)
4th.. Moi....

Just out of the frame again but I did enjoy the day .
9 fished...
 

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Fished inter club match on our lake at Wraysbury. I've mentioned before how hard the place gets as soon as you put a match on it and as you would probably expect it got exponentially even harder with an the extra pegs in today. A bit strange how nearly complete the switch off can be as its not a particularly small venue at about 9 acres with depths up to 16 ft.
Drew peg 5 on the road/ deep bank. 5 to 8 generally a good area chucking out onto the shallow water which starts at about 25m, the inside being a deep trench with 15 ft of water before it shallows up quite sharply.
Lake very low today and on the rare occasions the wind dropped could see the bottom out on the shallows apart from a couple of slightly deeper gullies. Set up the usual method feeder and cage feeder rods and pole at 6m where there was a bit of a flat spot on the steep slope, about 9ft of water, which was intended as an eel line. (Quite a few of them in here and a good size as well)
Started on method into a slightly deeper area of the shallows about 35m out and had a massive liner within 30 seconds which turned out to be the only indication on this rod all day.
Switched to cage feeder and chopped worm after 45 minutes a bit shorter and had a quick run of half a dozen little roach before it died (and never resurrected) which up until the 90 minute mark probably had me in the lead. Had been feeding the pole line with pots of dead reds and chop, gave it regular ten minute looks for the rest of the match but nothing other than three small perch.
Obvious that it was probably only going to need one or two good fish but couldn't get a sniff of one, peg 2 had a carp on bomb and meat and at around the four hour mark 25 and 26 had a good bream each but that was it.
Lost a skimmer about 10oz at the net with an hour to go from my only bite on anything in the second half and ended up with the nine fish for 14oz. Sixth with that !
The days only carp went 6-12, then 5-4 and 5-2 and a 4-8 of nice roach on waggler from a swim out of the wind making up the frame.
At least ten blanks, and a fair few others saved with odd perch.
Severe struggledom, as an old teammate of mine used to say...
 

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I'm still feeling barbelled out and looking forward to a decent bit of trotting or another perch session.

A pal came at short notice today and wanted to try for a decent perch. Trouble was ...no maggots for my favoured bleak bait.

I did find a couple of over ripe mackerel in the fridge though.
Paul, who enjoys lure fishing managed a few perch and chub whilst I was with him, nothing much over a pound.

I moved swim by swim until the eels pretty much stripped my half mackerel off the bone.
Last half left and last cast the float bobbed repeatedly......another bloody eel, but when I lifted the rod the " eel" changed into a pike that made 2 or 3 strong runs before charging towards the bank and into the net. Not a wye biggie about 12lb but welcome.

Three hours of fun. I left Paul, who incidently make the superb pike flies for Farmoor, to carry on fishing. Hopefully he'll get that biggie.

Tomorrow. Barbel? Pike? Perch. Can't decide.
 

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Simon - that was a very hard decision giving a like. I did however like the colour of your towel though - I'd have held a white flag up also......................;)
 
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