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Steve(DB), you won't regret it.
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Graham Elliott 1
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Steve. It will be different things to different people.
1/ It might be a way to find a soulmate who's idea of fishing marries with your own.
2/ It might be a Society who's battles for the preservation of barbel and their environment leads you to want to contribute
3/ It might simply be a way to add some glorious river stretches to your portfolio.
4/ It might be a place where (can't we all)you can share experiences and learn some new ones from the old and new.
5/ It might be an area where the joy of helping to teach youngsters catch their (hopefully) first barbel surpasses any you might catch yourself.
6/ It might be a place where you can feel proud that members efforts in the short space of a week raised over ?1500 for Children in Need
7/ It might be a place where your particular skills wil be welcomed as contributing to the Running of The Society.
8/ It might be a place where the efforts of members in providing articles and stories to make up an exceptional magazine, The Barbel Fisher, are enjoyed and shared.
9/ It might be a place where the oportunity of having a great time, listening to the views of kindred, sometime high profile, specialists at Regional meetings and the Conferences, make the small cost wothwhile.
10/ It might be the opportunity of joining, despite a few gripes, a Society with a genuine family feel to it.
Of course, it's not perfect. Very little is. I personally 10 years ago practically scoffed at the idea. However, running a few Fish In's for Charity on Anglersnet, I was amazed how many of the Committee turned out at their own cost and time to support the days. That convinced me, and nothing since has changed my mind.
Thats my honest answer.
Graham
1/ It might be a way to find a soulmate who's idea of fishing marries with your own.
2/ It might be a Society who's battles for the preservation of barbel and their environment leads you to want to contribute
3/ It might simply be a way to add some glorious river stretches to your portfolio.
4/ It might be a place where (can't we all)you can share experiences and learn some new ones from the old and new.
5/ It might be an area where the joy of helping to teach youngsters catch their (hopefully) first barbel surpasses any you might catch yourself.
6/ It might be a place where you can feel proud that members efforts in the short space of a week raised over ?1500 for Children in Need
7/ It might be a place where your particular skills wil be welcomed as contributing to the Running of The Society.
8/ It might be a place where the efforts of members in providing articles and stories to make up an exceptional magazine, The Barbel Fisher, are enjoyed and shared.
9/ It might be a place where the oportunity of having a great time, listening to the views of kindred, sometime high profile, specialists at Regional meetings and the Conferences, make the small cost wothwhile.
10/ It might be the opportunity of joining, despite a few gripes, a Society with a genuine family feel to it.
Of course, it's not perfect. Very little is. I personally 10 years ago practically scoffed at the idea. However, running a few Fish In's for Charity on Anglersnet, I was amazed how many of the Committee turned out at their own cost and time to support the days. That convinced me, and nothing since has changed my mind.
Thats my honest answer.
Graham
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BLAM
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Great post Graham. Quick fingers too!
Steve Spiller
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That's a big Thumbs up then!
Thanks guys.
Nice post Graham, are you the P.R officer of the B.S?
;-]
How do I join?
Steve.
Thanks guys.
Nice post Graham, are you the P.R officer of the B.S?
;-]
How do I join?
Steve.
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Phil Hackett HC/PCPL with Pride
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Fred
Yes I did mean you, apologies for changing your name.
Dog Biscuit
It?s only a thumbs up if you want the club side of it. But if you want democratic accountability of the organisation your contemplating joining, then there?s some doubt.
To Graham Elliott
Whilst your 10 points are laudable, with respect you can get most if not all from a large democratic angling club. I do from the two large clubs I?m in, both having membership 5 times larger than the BS.
Yes I did mean you, apologies for changing your name.
Dog Biscuit
It?s only a thumbs up if you want the club side of it. But if you want democratic accountability of the organisation your contemplating joining, then there?s some doubt.
To Graham Elliott
Whilst your 10 points are laudable, with respect you can get most if not all from a large democratic angling club. I do from the two large clubs I?m in, both having membership 5 times larger than the BS.
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I have to say Phil, you're not going about the right way in creating a better climate of understanding between the SAA and the BS.
Graham Elliott 1
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Steve. follow this link. http://www.thebarbelsociety.co.uk/join.asp
Or have a look around the site.
www.thebarbelsociety.co.uk
I wouldn't probably join till next season though, for full value, or if possible attend the Conference and join then, getting a rebate on the event at the same time.
No, I am just a standard member.
Phil, then it's not for you then.
Graham
Or have a look around the site.
www.thebarbelsociety.co.uk
I wouldn't probably join till next season though, for full value, or if possible attend the Conference and join then, getting a rebate on the event at the same time.
No, I am just a standard member.
Phil, then it's not for you then.
Graham
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Steve (Spiller), I'd recommend joining.
The best thing about it is the way being a member opens doors in the same way that going to FM fish ins does. You get to mee people and many of those people are friendly and helpful.
I've learned plenty from other Barbel anglers and most of them have been BS members. I met most of them at BS meeting too.
Regarding the accountability of the BS - if there was something I was unhappy with and felt the majority of membership felt the same way then I reckon it might be interesting to see what would happen. However I am happy with things as they are and I feel that there are many people working hard on the members behalf.
The best thing about it is the way being a member opens doors in the same way that going to FM fish ins does. You get to mee people and many of those people are friendly and helpful.
I've learned plenty from other Barbel anglers and most of them have been BS members. I met most of them at BS meeting too.
Regarding the accountability of the BS - if there was something I was unhappy with and felt the majority of membership felt the same way then I reckon it might be interesting to see what would happen. However I am happy with things as they are and I feel that there are many people working hard on the members behalf.
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Tony Rocca
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Phil,
We can all see how much you like to spout your negative opinions on here but maybe you should stop and think, "why am I doing this, what am I trying to achieve".
Because I for one cant see any point other than you enjoying the sound of your own voice.
The BS rocks.
We can all see how much you like to spout your negative opinions on here but maybe you should stop and think, "why am I doing this, what am I trying to achieve".
Because I for one cant see any point other than you enjoying the sound of your own voice.
The BS rocks.
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Dave Burr
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It has to be said that the Society?s constitution has caused mistrust from numerous potential members in the past.
The Society is not run democratically and although I can understand why this was introduced at the inception, I feel that it is no time to make a change.
Getting any organisation off the ground is hard work and the avoidance of a complex voting system undoubtedly eased the passage for the first ten years but surely, now that the Barbel Society is well and truly established, such an autocratic leadership is unnecessary. Surely the positions of Chairman, Secretary and possibly Treasurer should be voted for by the members on a two year tenure.
Previously this suggestion was quashed for a number of reasons, one of which being the administration, but now that the Newsletters are regular then voting slips cold be enclosed in them for this and other voting matters.
Should this transition be undertaken then virtually all of the criticisms aimed at the Society would be allayed as there would be the majority rule which, even if you do not agree with it, would or should be enough to satisfy everybody.
This is not an attempted coup of the ruling members, I am quite certain that those in place would be returned to their positions, but it would show a degree of democracy as opposed to the often dogmatic attitude of the Society and it would set them up as a progressive Society with an open attitude.
The Society is not run democratically and although I can understand why this was introduced at the inception, I feel that it is no time to make a change.
Getting any organisation off the ground is hard work and the avoidance of a complex voting system undoubtedly eased the passage for the first ten years but surely, now that the Barbel Society is well and truly established, such an autocratic leadership is unnecessary. Surely the positions of Chairman, Secretary and possibly Treasurer should be voted for by the members on a two year tenure.
Previously this suggestion was quashed for a number of reasons, one of which being the administration, but now that the Newsletters are regular then voting slips cold be enclosed in them for this and other voting matters.
Should this transition be undertaken then virtually all of the criticisms aimed at the Society would be allayed as there would be the majority rule which, even if you do not agree with it, would or should be enough to satisfy everybody.
This is not an attempted coup of the ruling members, I am quite certain that those in place would be returned to their positions, but it would show a degree of democracy as opposed to the often dogmatic attitude of the Society and it would set them up as a progressive Society with an open attitude.
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Hi Graham, Tony & Matt,
as you have known me a fair while now and Graham moreso even, you will know that i personally certainly am not one to stir things up or cause arguements ect.,
just to put straight the reason for my enquiry into votes ect., this is entirely due to my dissapointment in the way another society went as it grew much larger as time went by, in my honest and unbiased opinion of voting ect, accepting a non member voted committee ect is fine when something starts off as a smallish thing but as time goes by and numbers in every sense gets much larger there should be the option of voting on who and how the large total sum of contributions are handled ect,
I Make Quite Clear there Is No Inference That Anything About This Post Is Saying I Think There Is Something Wrong With How The B/S is Run ect, Just my own dissapointment with issues in the past with nothing to do with The B/S, In Fact I for one indeed
know and Beleive the Barbel Society Does Much to Credit Barbel Fishing and Its Well Being,
Phew!!! ok graham, Matt, Tony and all me other mates you know exactly why now...j.w
as you have known me a fair while now and Graham moreso even, you will know that i personally certainly am not one to stir things up or cause arguements ect.,
just to put straight the reason for my enquiry into votes ect., this is entirely due to my dissapointment in the way another society went as it grew much larger as time went by, in my honest and unbiased opinion of voting ect, accepting a non member voted committee ect is fine when something starts off as a smallish thing but as time goes by and numbers in every sense gets much larger there should be the option of voting on who and how the large total sum of contributions are handled ect,
I Make Quite Clear there Is No Inference That Anything About This Post Is Saying I Think There Is Something Wrong With How The B/S is Run ect, Just my own dissapointment with issues in the past with nothing to do with The B/S, In Fact I for one indeed
know and Beleive the Barbel Society Does Much to Credit Barbel Fishing and Its Well Being,
Phew!!! ok graham, Matt, Tony and all me other mates you know exactly why now...j.w
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Dave you posted as i typed mate, i agree with your thoughts almost entirely and very well put mate...j.w
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Dave,
Any reason why you can't put your post on the BS forum? Many members are putting forward their views and they would no doubt be interested in yours.
Any reason why you can't put your post on the BS forum? Many members are putting forward their views and they would no doubt be interested in yours.
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Tony Rocca
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Dave,
Change in this way would just quieten on or two vocal knockers who would then find summut else to moan about.
It wouldnt actually achieve anything, as you said, the result would be the same.
Waste of time and effort then in my opinion. The majority are happy now.
Change in this way would just quieten on or two vocal knockers who would then find summut else to moan about.
It wouldnt actually achieve anything, as you said, the result would be the same.
Waste of time and effort then in my opinion. The majority are happy now.
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Tony Rocca
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Crikey, bit of a flurry as I typed then, must try to bring two fingers into play.
No probs JW.
No probs JW.
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Bully
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What I cannot get my head around is why wouldn't the BS want to have their officers elected? I have worked with a number of Associations and it is hardly an onerous task.
I mentioned in an earlier post whether it was actually "legal". I may be wrong but I was under the impression that there were certain constitutional requirements with membership run organisations?
As it stands it wouldn't stop me from joining if I felt the BS would benefit me, but I would certainly keep a close eye on decisions being taken!?
By the way, perhaps I missed it, but when I went to the web site I couldn't find a list of the waters and the additional costs for these. Am I just blind??
I mentioned in an earlier post whether it was actually "legal". I may be wrong but I was under the impression that there were certain constitutional requirements with membership run organisations?
As it stands it wouldn't stop me from joining if I felt the BS would benefit me, but I would certainly keep a close eye on decisions being taken!?
By the way, perhaps I missed it, but when I went to the web site I couldn't find a list of the waters and the additional costs for these. Am I just blind??
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Tony Rocca
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Bully,
Bottom, middle, of home page "fisheries", costs are not given though.
Bottom, middle, of home page "fisheries", costs are not given though.
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Bully
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OK - so I am blind! Thanks.
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John, Hi old pal.
The BS Accounts,detailed with breakdowns, and independently signed off, were available at last years Conference to all members and I believe were also issued as part of the subsequent newsletter.(or Mag)
Hope this clarifies one of your perceived concerns.
Kind regrds
Graham
The BS Accounts,detailed with breakdowns, and independently signed off, were available at last years Conference to all members and I believe were also issued as part of the subsequent newsletter.(or Mag)
Hope this clarifies one of your perceived concerns.
Kind regrds
Graham
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Dave Burr
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Tony
I disagree, it may or may not be one or two knockers (ooer missus) but the subject keeps cropping up so there are plenty of people that think along these lines.
Trust me, as one that has been on the committee I feel that a more democratic way of electing senior officials (not all as that could become unwieldy) and of making some of the larger decisions such as day tickets on waters (the debate continues) the direction taken on R & C, the closing of the forum etc. could or indeed should be made by the members.
Surely there can be no down side to this?
I disagree, it may or may not be one or two knockers (ooer missus) but the subject keeps cropping up so there are plenty of people that think along these lines.
Trust me, as one that has been on the committee I feel that a more democratic way of electing senior officials (not all as that could become unwieldy) and of making some of the larger decisions such as day tickets on waters (the debate continues) the direction taken on R & C, the closing of the forum etc. could or indeed should be made by the members.
Surely there can be no down side to this?