Hitting the Eastern European problem head on, morality v’s self interest?

[bennygesserit]

Untwist your knickers Peter, the real issues to not just fishing but other,more needful basics of our cultural existence are at risk.
Threats of bans are threats to free speech, this thread addresses contentious issues and your stamp of moderation is both heavy handed and unnecessary.
Do as you see fit but you will not suppress peoples will.
I too would prefer to angle in an England as written about by BB,Venebles et al but that pipe dream is long gone, are we not allowed to mourn its passing for the sake of PC?
Something needs to be done and folks here are able to make their own minds up without over zealous policing.
If you ban me for speaking my mind you go right ahead, I'm done here in that case, this problem needs addressing and if you personally, don't allow open debate then I have no desire to belong to such an authoritarian body.I will seek my peace in quiet waters, such as are left and let you wallow in your over zealous world and be happy with it.
Good luck.

there is no free speech issue this is a fishing forum you should familiarise yourself with the terms and conditions.

 

[Peter Jacobs]

this thread addresses contentious issues and your stamp of moderation is both heavy handed and unnecessary

Sadly, those contentious issues lay well outside of the rules for posting here on FM O am afraid.

If you find the moderation heavy handed then so be it, but you all signed up to the rules when you joined, the moderation team simply enforce those rules to keep this forum free of arguments.

We would of course be unhappy to see you leave but if you cannot post within the rules then maybe somewhere else with a lesser level of moderation might be more to your liking.

Good luck and tight lines to you too Nobby

 

[arthur2sheds]

Can I add an old adage inasmuch as....

Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men.....

to follow them blindly is folly....

I moderate a website where the average member is a 40+ year old Biker.... they are intractable and irascible with a healthy dollop of cynicism along the way.... I've found that folk over a certain age need guidance rather than a heavy hand...

Just sayin' like....:wh

 

[bennygesserit]

Can I add an old adage inasmuch as....

Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men.....

to follow them blindly is folly....

I moderate a website where the average member is a 40+ year old Biker.... they are intractable and irascible with a healthy dollop of cynicism along the way.... I've found that folk over a certain age need guidance rather than a heavy hand...

Just sayin' like....:wh

why cant they read the T&Cs?

 

[nicepix]

I am curious as to why some on here feel the need to add 'balance' to this discussion by either highlighting law breaking by British abroad or indeed in this country?

The original question was quite specific and was to do with EE immigrants taking fish to eat.

To prevent the thread turning into a witch hunt against all Eastern Europeans. Laws should be obeyed no matter what country you are in and some Brits are no different from some foreigners in breaking laws in other countries.

You also ought to familiarise yourself with some of the laws of the UK regarding making racial remarks on public forums.

 

[Peter Jacobs]

The world is full of adages, old and new.

Try this one on for size then:

Freedom without rules doesn't work. And communities do not work unless they are regulated by etiquette.


If the rules are different on your site then all well and good, here on FM ours have served this community very well for over 12 years.

Just saying, like . . . . . .

 

[arthur2sheds]

why cant they read the T&Cs?

they do... same as on here.... :wh

If the rules are different on your site then all well and good, here on FM ours have served this community very well for over 12 years.

Just saying, like . . . . . .

I refer the honourable gentleman to the post I made some time ago...

Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men.....
to follow them blindly is folly....

That's my lot on the subject.... dinner's up... nighty night

 

[maggot_dangler]

Well, that would be a case for the EA to instigate and then have made into Law.

Each EA Region has similar regulations w.r.t. the legal taking of fish from a river.

Take a look here to see those in force in your region:

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/local-fishing-byelaws

Yep i Am familiar with the Quotas but that does not change the need for a Zero ruling to over ride the present system so full of holes Zero == Zero what could be more simple ..


PG ..

 

[jet53]

My word there are some characters on here. If I have learnt something over the past few days it's don't bother contributing to forums, it just ain't worth it! Just get out and go fishing instead.

 

[wes79]

What’s the answer?

According to the cultural marxist policy makers, by making the pilgrimage to treasure island "legal" the end result would mean there are no "illegals".

Genius!

So by using the same logic it follows that to stop illegal fishing practices, just simply make all the practices shunned by those who like to practice some catch and return fun and who pay a little tribute to David, would be to make these practices legal.
This would put a stop to "illegal" & "legal" fishing practices as all we look forward to is rivers without Pike in them after 12 months, leaving us more time to take up knitting in the waiting room of life.
At least we can be safe in the knowledge that no one is doing anything "illegal".

Here is your car that does 150, don't go above 70

Result!

The next 30 years will undoubtedly put fishing on the back burner (imho), so just enjoy what is yours to enjoy while you still have time.

Nothing is going to change that quickly, so expect things to taste better, look better, smell better but know it will still give you the s*&^'s.
Progress marches on, producing yet more oxymoronic political idioms that are best served in the run up to voting day.

 

[bennygesserit]

According to the cultural marxist policy makers, by making the pilgrimage to treasure island "legal" the end result would mean there are no "illegals".

Genius!

So by using the same logic it follows that to stop illegal fishing practices, just simply make all the practices shunned by those who like to practice some catch and return fun and who pay a little tribute to David, would be to make these practices legal.
This would put a stop to "illegal" & "legal" fishing practices as all we look forward to is rivers without Pike in them after 12 months, leaving us more time to take up knitting in the waiting room of life.
At least we can be safe in the knowledge that no one is doing anything "illegal".

Here is your car that does 150, don't go above 70

Result!

The next 30 years will undoubtedly put fishing on the back burner (imho), so just enjoy what is yours to enjoy while you still have time.

Nothing is going to change that quickly, so expect things to taste better, look better, smell better but know it will still give you the s*&^'s.
Progress marches on, producing yet more oxymoronic political idioms that are best served in the run up to voting day.

Quite a number of pike , on the canal local to me , have been destroyed by Brits either in the , mistaken , belief that this "protects" the other fish or frankly to eat them.

So for all your deliberately flowery rhetoric ( nice one ! ) you are much more style over substance.

 

[law]

Quite a number of pike , on the canal local to me , have been destroyed by Brits either in the , mistaken , belief that this "protects" the other fish or frankly to eat them.

So for all your deliberately flowery rhetoric ( nice one ! ) you are much more style over substance.

Similarly when eels were culled years ago by British anglers. I've still no idea why, but look how hard it is to find good eels now.

 

[jet53]

Two wrongs don't make a right. Do you think that adults are stupid enough to believe all Brits are law abiding? Of course they are not but yet again the discussion is steered away from the original topic.

One poster on here has even pulled the racist card out of the bag!

If the subject is that unpalatable - forgive the pun - then I would argue the moderator should have seen what's coming and just deleted the topic as he has already threatened to do but has not done despite more politically motivated posts.

That's me done. I am off forums for good. I am going fishing instead.

 

[thecrow]

More **ss and twisting in the wind from you, You are thief of someone’s fishing rights! It was written in both Acts the Larceny Act 1916 to 1968, and as you haven’t grasped it yet that act was repealed and superseded by the Theft Act 1968. Larceny and Theft mean the same thing doh!
The use of the word Theft as in Theft Act was used to modernise the word Larceny as in Larceny Act 1916. The vast majority of clauses and offences in the Larceny Act were amalgamated into the then new Theft Act 1968. The larceny, stealing, theft (which ever word you chose to use) of fishing rights being part of both from their enactment. Now, today, legally classed as Theft of Fishing rights (modernised). The words change with the times the meaning and offences don’t. Got it now!
Now you show me/us where in either act you were not a thief?

Oh I get it, you cannot show me where THEFT OF FISHING RIGHTS existed within the theft act when I was guesting, the **** you have posted is just a smoke screen to cover the FACT that what you accused me of never existed when I guested.

Back on track, ALL nationalities have people within them that break the law, in the case we are supposed to be discussing it's FISH KILLING by EEs that are the subject, they know its wrong, they know they mostly wont be caught and they don't care, they give EE anglers that practice catch and release a bad name, anglers cant stop it only the authorities can and as they don't want to it cannot be stopped, a clear message needs sending out if you are caught you will be deported end of but I doubt even that threat would have any effect.

That's my last post on this thread (except the bit below ) i'm off to do a bit of Barbel fishing, found a place quite near with a few doubles in

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Are you actually a real Crow that goes fishing

How can crows fish? they have no fingers to bait the hook, silly billy.

 

[itsfishingnotcatching]

How can crows fish? they have no fingers to bait the hook, silly billy.

Coincidently, fishing yesterday I actually saw a crow swoop down over a pool, hover just above the water and take a small silver with it's beak, never seen it before but will go prepared with camera next time

 

[Lord Paul of Sheffield]

Oh I get it, you cannot show me where THEFT OF FISHING RIGHTS existed within the theft act when I was guesting, the **** you have posted is just a smoke screen to cover the FACT that what you accused me of never existed when I guested.

Back on track, ALL nationalities have people within them that break the law, in the case we are supposed to be discussing it's FISH KILLING by EEs that are the subject, they know its wrong, they know they mostly wont be caught and they don't care, they give EE anglers that practice catch and release a bad name, anglers cant stop it only the authorities can and as they don't want to it cannot be stopped, a clear message needs sending out if you are caught you will be deported end of but I doubt even that threat would have any effect.

That's my last post on this thread (except the bit below ) i'm off to do a bit of Barbel fishing, found a place quite near with a few doubles in

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How can crows fish? they have no fingers to bait the hook, silly billy.

His image is not that of a crow - with the yellow beak it looks more like a Blackbird

 

[peter crabtree]

- with the yellow beak it looks more like a Blackbird

Looks like a vulture to me?

 

[Titus]

http://www.picturesof.net/_images_3...Free_Clipart_Picture_090303-176015-778048.jpg

 

[Lord Paul of Sheffield]

Crow with a yellow beak????:wh

 

[The bad one]

Oh I get it, you cannot show me where THEFT OF FISHING RIGHTS existed within the theft act when I was guesting, the **** you have posted is just a smoke screen to cover the FACT that what you accused me of never existed when I guested.

You keep thing that, but 1-5 doesn't agree with you, nor does 16 ... Guess your stuffed as a thief!